What Does This Election Represent To You?

[J. Starke]

Not a single UK constituency would vote for Donald Trump: Poll

And this is the country that believes capitalism.

They voted for their own version of Trump and regretted it.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

Let me ask you something, what countries do you trust? It seems like you are saying you won't trust Americans if Trump wins. May I ask, which countries' people then do you trust at the moment, in general?

I don't have enough information to choose to trust an entire country of people and haven't ever had that mindset in the U.S.

When I see people overtly not caring about many violations demonstrated by Trump, and being willing to cheer him on, I can now see more clearly who is going to do this at all levels of power. There are people who say it does not bother them in the slightest that Trump brags about grabbing women's pussies AND actually has a few dozen sexual harassment and assault allegations filed against him. I think these are the same people that will tolerate it when the high school quarterback rapes the daughter of a local waitress. They will project his guilt readily and say she was a slut. These are the same people that won't mind when their pastor's son starts mimicking and bullying the developmentally delayed autistic kid in the church because, who knows, maybe the kids deserved to be mocked, or come on, THAT didn't happen. These are the same people that won't care when their neighbor shoots their dog because hey, he didn't have $150K to go shoot animals with Trump Jr, so he has to start someplace. These are the same people that are now apathetic and will become moreso about the health of their grandparents because you know, "it is what it is". When people don't care about his connection with sex traffickers, I still can't bring myself to believe they are that callous to children, but that they turn blind eyes and are good at enabling the abusers in their own lives.

The low level of reasoning ability in the U.S. is also a surprise to me. The manner in which people are relating to both the COVID-19 and their reasoning in this election is much lower level than expected. There is the religiously extreme crowd that doesn't think anything matters because Jesus is coming any day, and then there are the white supremecist militias with their many distorted views. The conspiracy theorists are void of reason. I lived with one for six years from the beginning of QAnon and his friends would come over and talk. I see their posts all over social media that mix hateful insane shit with lovely Buddhist quotes. Many are Flat Earthers who are serious. They are usually stoned out of their minds, but still they mean it. They think Hilary Clinton and other democrats are part of a Satanic ring that rapes children, eats their flesh, and are shape-shifting reptilians from another star system. You can "tell" when their youtube videos show the pupils of their eyes are darker than normal humans. These people are obsessed with these little cryptic statements by QAnon and they actually believe that Trump is going to save humanity and stop the raping and eating of children. Then when Trump provides lovely and supportive words for the individuals the FBI has arrested for evidence that they are "kingpins" of child sex trafficking in the U.S., well THAT they don't believe. This election makes me think that significant levels of mental illness, paranoid disorders are prevalent in the U.S. culture. There is a deep seated psychological transference and projection where perpetrators point their guilt elsewhere with a little extra flair and the masses wonder in amazement. These people have access to science and were required to attend school.

On a political level I think Trump's social bullying behavior was chosen for a very, very specific slight of hand result. It made everyone upset/divided about his sexual offenses and social mockery while they passed legislation to make the corporations less regulated. Yes, this has been going on for a long time, but he reveals how incredibly blind and morally defunct the normal, average person is, and he reinforced the very kinds of behaviors they can go reiterate in their/our small pathetic lives to make the world a meaner, more bullying culture.

I despair of humanity and have for a long time, but in the instance of this election it is more personal, the moral flaws revealed are more relatable to common life, and it demonstrates levels of mental distortion I never dared believe so prevalent, and so it is a special flavor of despair.

 

[anticlimatic]

This is an election between style and substance; between politics and buisness; between the establishment and an outsider.

 

[anticlimatic]

It's even worse than that. It may come down to just one state--like Florida or Pennsylvania. It may end up in the courts and decided by a group of 9 people. Of those 9, maybe 3 of them have a chance to switch party lines (it is clear that there are party lines in the courts, no matter how often people preach that they don't exist). By default, the courts will be 6-3 pro-Trump.

What is it with first term elections against former democratic VPs that keep coming down to one state that draws it out for weeks?

 

[Maou]

I would say its an election against authoritarianism, communism, neopotism, and bad governing. I am voting against the media's manipulation of facts, the establishments lack of accountability, the internal brainwashing that takes places in our schools, and against anti-american ideals. This is the tipping point of our country, and I really don't want to see it die in my lifetime.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I don't know. It's giving me a lot of anxiety. I think Trump needs to go but I'm not looking forward to Biden. I thought it was an election about the future of democracy, but I'm not sure electing Biden is going to save it. It's too far gone.

My concerns about Biden will seem trivial so I don't want to list them here.

Might vote for the Green Party.

 

[dunce]

if Biden wins we can expect that student loans will be unforgivable for the foreseeable future and the tuition for school will rise astronomically. Biden's proudest sponsors are the credit card companies and the primary benefactors is unforgivable debt are universities. Biden also sponsored the unforgivable student loan debt during his time in office and also lead the way in making it impossible for average people to go into bankruptcy chapter 7. Essentially your credit card debt will follow you to the grave pending a few exceptions. Biden, destroyer of the middle class.

 

[Stigmata]

This is an election between style and substance; between politics and buisness; between the establishment and an outsider.

A crooked fake billionaire who enriches his friends, family and himself while admitting to tax fraud and firing anyone who dares to not bend to his will is really an outsider? I get that on both sides of the political spectrum that they can agree th establishment sucks, but Donald Trump promotes the agendas of the establishment and extremely wealthy just as much as anybody else.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Joe Biden Says He Would Halt Vaping Sales Pending More Research - Bloomberg


It's the THC cartridges causing the majority of health issues. This has already been established and reported on, but it kind of got overshadowed by the COVID pandemic. So ban sales of THC vape cartridges, don't ban the entire industry. Vape products have been available for over 10 years. No one is saying they are without their own health side effects, but the health problems and deaths started happening after THC based cartridges sold on the black and grey market rose in popularity. People using nicotine based fluids in drip tanks aren't the ones dying and experiencing breathing problems, so no need to punish those people, especially considering a lot of them used this to quit smoking cigarettes. Ban the cigarettes if you must. Those are actually proven killers.

And the use of products by underage kids is an entirely separate issue. Implement stronger restrictions on brick-and-mortars and online retailers to make it harder for kids to get. Don't ban the entire industry. It's taking a chainsaw to surgery when a scalpel is required.


He needs to be held to this if elected. They don't care about science like they say they do. If they did, they'd take a more measured approach.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

A crooked fake billionaire who enriches his friends, family and himself while admitting to tax fraud and firing anyone who dares to not bend to his will is really an outsider? I get that on both sides of the political spectrum that they can agree th establishment sucks, but Donald Trump promotes the agendas of the establishment and extremely wealthy just as much as anybody else.

I have no idea how people see Trump as an outsider. The corporations control the government by funding the politicians, so corporate insiders are deeper inside than any politician could ever be. Politicians are the puppets, but the corporations pull the strings. Political insiders are in the blood of the system, but corporate insiders are in the gut, they are the beneficiaries of the political decisions. A politician without wealth and stock doesn't benefit much from control except some social ego gratification. It is those with corporate investments that benefit when policies de-regulate these in terms of environment, taxation, working conditions for laborers, etc. They are the ones with motive to suck the population and working class dry. They are the ones that need financially unstable labor force willing to work under any conditions.

What exactly would a solely political insider possibly gain sucking the population dry? What is won? What is the prize?

Edit: This election represent complete corporate takeover of the political system to me.

 

[Merced]

It represents to me the little history lesson that they put at beginning of dystopia movies to explain why the world is so fucked up.

 

[Jaguar]

if Biden wins we can expect that student loans will be unforgivable for the foreseeable future and the tuition for school will rise astronomically.

His education plan is readily available:

Plan for Education Beyond High School | Joe Biden

Read.

 

[dunce]

His education plan is readily available: Plan for Education Beyond High School | Joe Biden Read.

That was similar to his plan when he did the opposite last time. What is different this time? Last I checked the credit card companies are still pouring in money hand over fist to his campaign.

 

[Jaguar]

That was similar to his plan when he did the opposite last time. What is different this time? Last I checked the credit card companies are still pouring in money hand over fist to his campaign.

Post it.

 

[dunce]

Post it.

How Joe Biden Helped Strip Bankruptcy Protection From Millions Just Before a Recession | GQ


my claim is that Biden is dishonest. Do you think that back in 2008 he was running on the platform of making it impossible for Americans to escape credit card debt, and eliminating from them the same course of actions large corporations and affluent individuals like trump utilize regularly to this day while also helping raise college tuition by 2000 percent in a ten year period through the student loan stipulation? Because that is what he did. Let me tel you loosely what the Democratic Party was running on during that time, and Joe Biden included - cheaper education tax the rich. What he actually did: kill the middle class raise education astronomically high through inflated debt cycles.
the burden of proof now is on you to show that he ran on the former, since my claim is that he is dishonest and it's fairly evident he didn't run on the platform of gutting the middle and poor people of America from any debt recourse, I win this debate. I also win on your original stipulation - that he went against what he ran on.


unless you can post it.

so as you say, post it.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

That was similar to his plan when he did the opposite last time. What is different this time? Last I checked the credit card companies are still pouring in money hand over fist to his campaign.

"fool me once, sh-shame on you.....but fool me can't get fooled again"

George W Bush

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

How Joe Biden Helped Strip Bankruptcy Protection From Millions Just Before a Recession | GQ


my claim is that Biden is dishonest. Do you think that back in 2008 he was running on the platform of making it impossible for Americans to escape credit card debt, and eliminating from them the same course of actions large corporations and affluent individuals like trump utilize regularly to this day while also helping raise college tuition by 2000 percent in a ten year period through the student loan stipulation? Because that is what he did. Let me tel you loosely what the Democratic Party was running on during that time, and Joe Biden included - cheaper education tax the rich. What he actually did: kill the middle class raise education astronomically high through inflated debt cycles.
the burden of proof now is on you to show that he ran on the former, since my claim is that he is dishonest and it's fairly evident he didn't run on the platform of gutting the middle and poor people of America from any debt recourse, I win this debate. I also win on your original stipulation - that he went against what he ran on.


unless you can post it.

so as you say, post it.

neoliberalism in a nutshell. as long as we campaign against the worst GOP policies and offer free gibs, no one will pay too close attention once we're in office.

 

[dunce]

"fool me once, sh-shame on you.....but fool me can't get fooled again"

George W Bush

Also j cole

 

[Jaguar]

<snippped the smoke screen>

You posted no prior education plan that you claimed was "similar" to the so-called "last time." And you know it. Frankly, I don't think you even read the plan at his site, especially given its length. This is a waste of time.

 

[dunce]

One positive outcome of the election should it be a republican victory is that haphazard prison reform such as that proposers by the severely disturbed Kim Foxx won't become a national phenomena. Hence, my best friend's sister who was murdered by one of the inmates she released for minor drug offenses. He is African American and Latino and voted from Trump.