Do you believe in absolute truth?

[totent]

No, but what an open mind is in each case is very different. Both have an open mind, just process it differently. Thats why i differentiated it.

If you ponder over something that you do not know, you have no preconceived notion. Hence you have an open mind. If you are doubting a belief that you've held in the past, you do have a preconceived notion. So unless we claim to know everything, which most perceptive people don't, there are some things that we inquire about, with an open mind.

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

This is from the bible:

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

 

[Poki]

If you ponder over something that you do not know, you have no preconceived notion. Hence you have an open mind. If you are doubting a belief that you've held in the past, you do have a preconceived notion. So unless we claim to know everything, which most perceptive people don't, there are some things that we inquire about, with an open mind.

If you realize you are not "all knowing" and that the truth is bigger then you, you can have both a preconcieved notion while being open minded. But to know nothing means you have no mind. What i had pointed out about that saying the most was "i am the wisest of all"...there in lies the flaw and also the inconsistancy. It actually draws a person in who likes to blow things out of proportion and plays with the mind because what you have to except in order to accept it. It is again, the extreme that does not fit together.

To turn it on myself, its why i love the saying "only I am Me" it is so generic because we are all both "I" and "Me", yet so specific because none one else is "I" or "Me". Its a play on perception and mind in so many different ways. It is more focused on complex then extreme.

 

[totent]

If you realize you are not "all knowing" and that the truth is bigger then you, you can have both a preconcieved notion while being open minded. But to know nothing means you have no mind. What i had pointed out about that saying the most was "i am the wisest of all"...there in lies the flaw and also the inconsistancy. It actually draws a person in who likes to blow things out of proportion and plays with the mind because what you have to except in order to accept it. It is again, the extreme that does not fit together.

To turn it on myself, its why i love the saying "only I am Me" it is so generic because we are all both "I" and "Me", yet so specific because none one else is "I" or "Me". Its a play on perception and mind in so many different ways. It is more focused on complex then extreme.

I think that human knowledge is definitely on the other side of the proportion. We were arguing about the world being flat and we didn't know that there is an infinite Universe beyond us. Like I said earlier, Nietzsche has expressed himself on language better than I will be able to articulate his idea. Furthermore, Socrates did not call himself wise. An oracle told him that he was the wisest man and he didn't believe it. He went around trying to prove the oracle wrong by going to people who claimed to know about the world. When they all avoided or left his questions unanswered, he understood why the oracle had called him the wisest. Because he did not claim to know the truth, he was simply in a continuous search for it.

 

[Poki]

I think that human knowledge is definitely on the other side of the proportion. We were arguing about the world being flat and we didn't know that there is an infinite Universe beyond us. Like I said earlier, Nietzsche has expressed himself on language better than I will be able to articulate his idea. Furthermore, Socrates did not call himself wise. An oracle told him that he was the wisest man and he didn't believe it. He went around trying to prove the oracle wrong by going to people who claimed to know about the world. When they all avoided or left his questions unanswered, he understood why the oracle had called him the wisest. Because he did not claim to know the truth, he was simply in a continuous search for it.

Lol...a truly wise oracle

 

[Masokissed]

Absolute power comes with sacrifice of absolute truth. There is no absolute truth.

 

[Kanra Jest]

We cling to perception based from our subjectivity. "Absolute Truth" doesn't really exist beyond our own minds.

 

[uumlau]

x = |truth|

Math works!

 

[bedeviled1]

This is a site devoted to psychology. We are not so much interested in the literal minded pursuit of truth, but we are more interested in the hidden movements of the psyche.

I am always surprised at the aggression of the literal minded, it's as though they want to push their literalism down our throats. No, it is far more appropriate here to explore the psyche through metaphor, desire, and the defences of the psyche.

Of course the literal minded are deeply threatened by any public exploration of the psyche, and this explains their aggression.

There have been some very interesting posts in this thread about the search for "literal" truth. I agree that it is far more intriguing and mysterious to use metaphors and allegories as an explanation of things we try to understand but what difference is there if you arrive at the same conclusion. ..the truth. I don't feel like I am threatened, just curious and searching. I'm sorry if I offended you in trying to understand your answer.

 

[bedeviled1]

I prefer to believe in signs, symbolism and subjective truths than dogmatism, doctrines and dictatures.

Absolute truths are very often not a way to know yourself and YOUR truths. What ares viewed as truths are very often préjugés or human creations,

just to reassure the weak egos in need of repères. Again a mental drug.


To me what is important is not the shape or frame but what truths come out from that shape and those colours, actions, timetables, decisions, reasons, communications and so on.

Read Paolo Coelho to understand what truth is on the humble ESFP point of view- I was told to be

I'm not interested in what is "viewed" as truth. Truth surpasses dogmatism, doctrine, dictates and anything else.

 

[RedAmazoneFriendZone]

I'm not interested in what is "viewed" as truth. Truth surpasses dogmatism, doctrine, dictates and anything else.

It doesn't exist. Facts are truths. Nothing else on an abstract point of view. The sun is shining. I have a broken tooth. Those are truths.

Antoine St Expert used to say "We only see truths with heart, what we see with our eyes has no importance".


You could be looking for truths with your mind. I don't think truths are here. I follow my intuition, my sense of observation and my heart. They know the truth.

Others are just imagination, illusions d'optique, games, masks, divertissements, or what other human beings have created that

THEY THINK is the truth. It's only their, it isn't mine and will never be unless I decide to.


Now,is your EGO a truth or an illusion ?

 

[bedeviled1]

It doesn't exist. Facts are truths. Nothing else on an abstract point of view. The sun is shining. I have a broken tooth. Those are truths.

Antoine St Expert used to say "We only see truths with heart, what we see with our eyes has no importance".


You could be looking for truths with your mind. I don't think truths are here. I follow my intuition, my sense of observation and my heart. They know the truth.

Others are just imagination, illusions d'optique, games, masks, divertissements, or what other human beings have created that

THEY THINK is the truth. It's only their, it isn't mine and will never be unless I decide to.


Now,is your EGO a truth or an illusion ?

Just as , the sun is shining and I have a broken tooth are truths or facts there are truths or facts , I believe, that are astounding and all but unknown to man. Truths that answer questions like, where did life begin and where does it end, why are we here and what is our purpose. Perhaps the answers are unattainable and that's what the philosophers had in mind.
As for my EGO. Hmmm, that's something to think about.

 

[Mole]

There have been some very interesting posts in this thread about the search for "literal" truth. I agree that it is far more intriguing and mysterious to use metaphors and allegories as an explanation of things we try to understand but what difference is there if you arrive at the same conclusion. ..the truth. I don't feel like I am threatened, just curious and searching. I'm sorry if I offended you in trying to understand your answer.

Thank you for your answer. The problem for the psyche is that much of it is unconscious, and yet we see in gestalts, we see the whole cloth, yet hidden within the cloth is perhaps the most important part of our psyche.

Yet here we stand on mbti relentlessly determined to hide the unconscious, all in the spurious name of understanding ourselves and others.

Mbti is based on the deep and profound hatred of the psyche, and yet it hides this hatred from itself. But the hatred leaks out in narcissism, misunderstanding, and flaming.

Yes the whole dynamic of mbti is a constant struggle against the truth of the psyche.

 

[bedeviled1]

Thank you for your answer. The problem for the psyche is that much of it is unconscious, and yet we see in gestalts, we see the whole cloth, yet hidden within the cloth is perhaps the most important part of our psyche.

Yet here we stand on mbti relentlessly determined to hide the unconscious, all in the spurious name of understanding ourselves and others.

Mbti is based on the deep and profound hatred of the psyche, and yet it hides this hatred from itself. But the hatred leaks out in narcissism, misunderstanding, and flaming.

Yes the whole dynamic of mbti is a constant struggle against the truth of the psyche.

I assumed that the whole purpose behind mbti would be to"know thyself".

 

[Aryan]

I consider facts as the truth, but I know there is a chance that they aren't. What if we live in a dream and death is the awakening? Or is it all my imagination, are you even real in the first place? Maybe I'm a simulation, someone's Biology assignment? However, I will say that I'm typing rather than that I'm probably typing. While I often think about these questions, I don't 'combine' them with my daily life. I will only talk like that while discussing these questions (with myself, of course, since I don't know anyone personally who actually understands me). Now, if by 'absolute truth' you mean something that is certainly completely true and objective, I think it does exist. However, I don't think it is possible to know the absolute truth; say you are a deity, you created everything (let's forget about the paradox for now that said deity should also have a creator, judging by our current knowledge of existence) and you are omniscient. You should know the absolute truth, but what if this absolute truth is that neither you nor your omniscience are real? We will never be able to find an absolute truth, unless a higher consciousness exsists, in the sense that there is something besides truth and untruth, life and death, consciousness and unconsciousness or imagination and reality. Something unimaginable we do not understand. A way to understand absolute truth and a way to solve paradoxes. I don't think a higher consciousness does exist, but I am agnostic about this believe of mine. The ability to make the impossible possible is still unthinkable to me.
So, in the end, I do believe it exists, but I don't think we can understand it.

 

[Typh0n]

Now,is your EGO a truth or an illusion ?

I would say truth. What other reality is there? You might say the universe. But I don't know the universe exists, whereas I know I exist, since I perceive the universe, yet the universe does not perceive me, so I, the perceiver of things am the only reality - all hail!

 

[Kanra Jest]

Paradoxical Reality.

I know well the "reality" we perceived can't be absolutely proven real. Just because we perceive it through our senses. It is still essentially the information our senses puts together to understand existence. For all we know we're in a Matrix. I mean, really. You can't be absolutely certain we aren't. Quantum Mechanics, and all. Yet we have to quantify everything.

HOWEVER. I wish I knew more than that. Just knowing this much can cause people to judge me for a very open inquisitive mind. One such as I've always had.

So I do not believe there is an absolute truth, yet I search for what "truth" I can somehow find in an obsessive quest hoping I level up I suppose. Irony.

We see solidity, yet our perception does not make it so beyond simply our "perception". What we are capable of seeing. Underneath the layers of pure energy it may truly consist of.

Oh! Just recently I had this wonderful conversation with a religious guy over the meaning of life and whatnot. And he brought up "Absolute" and "Truth". Apparently it's God. The certainty of her conviction is truly baffling.

 

[Noll]

Yes, as I believe in God. We all have a consciousnesses, and more or less our morals are alike no matter which culture you're in. It's the consciousnesses that God has planted within us. But of course - by evil force, our pure, inner morals may get distorted and deluded by social circumstances. It's happened plenty of times - the Holocaust, the stoning of women in some countries, and the normalisation of abortion in Western societies as having something to do with women's rights are good examples of this.

 

[Kanra Jest]

Yes, as I believe in God. We all have a consciousnesses, and more or less our morals are alike no matter which culture you're in. It's the consciousnesses that God has planted within us. But of course - by evil force, our pure, inner morals may get distorted and deluded by social circumstances. It's happened plenty of times - the Holocaust, the stoning of women in some countries, and the normalisation of abortion in Western societies as having something to do with women's rights are good examples of this.

Speak of the devil. Reconfirmed.

 

[Lark]

Yeah. I do.