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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    ENTJ with inferior Feeling making its presence felt. That inferior Feeling function could be either Fi or Fe. Either way, the conscious manifestation of unconscious, repressed functions appears as a distorted use of those functions. For example, @Elfboy states he likes to play one person against another.
    That's ridiculous. The ENTJ has Te as it's first function. The way that the ENTJ comes to conclusion is first to look at the facts and then to reach it's decision based on those facts. The ENTJ doesn't just pick things up through intuition first. Elfboy never comes to a conclusion this way, he picks things up through intuition first and then through Fi. He rarely ever checks to see if his conclusions are congruent with the evidence. He even has publicly stated that he doesn't care if the conclusions that he has come to make logical sense or not. What ENTJ says this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    That's ridiculous. The ENTJ has Te as it's first function. The way that the ENTJ comes to conclusion is first to look at the facts and then to reach it's decision based on those facts. The ENTJ doesn't just pick things up through intuition first. Elfboy never comes to a conclusion this way, he picks things up through intuition first and then through Fi. He rarely ever checks to see if his conclusions are congruent with the evidence. He even has publicly stated that he doesn't care if the conclusions that he has come to make logical sense or not. What ENTJ says this?
    If the ENTJ doesn't pick things up through intuition first, then why is it eNtj? These perceiving functions are how things are "picked up," as you put it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    If the ENTJ doesn't pick things up through intuition first, then why is it eNtj? These perceiving functions are how things are "picked up," as you put it.
    For the INTJ, they pick up things first through their intuition then confirm what they have picked up with their intuition by checking it with facts, experts in the field, evidence, etc, because they are intuition dominant. The ENTJ on the hand will first look at the experts in field, the evidence, the facts, and what not and will make their decisions based on that first (Te dom) and then let their intuition confirm these beliefs. In other words it's Ni<Te vs. Te<Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    For the INTJ, they pick up things first through their intuition then confirm what they have picked up with their intuition by checking it with facts, experts in the field, evidence, etc, because they are intuition dominant. The ENTJ on the hand will first look at the experts in field, the evidence, the facts, and what not and will make their decisions based on that first (Te dom) and then let their intuition confirm these beliefs. In other words it's Ni<Te vs. Te<Ni.
    First of all, you should be aware that you're using the < backwards, if Ni is greater than Te in the first case.

    Second, Intuition dominants don't find it necessary to check their facts with experts. They consider their intuitions to be superior - Ni> (greater than) everything else. INTJs are the intellectual-authority in their field of interest.

    Third, the ENTJ will look for evidence that supports their a-priori Te rules in making a decision. The evidence that fails to agree with those rules is discounted - unless their own personal intuition gives them the gut feeling that they are wrong. But this feeling can never come from any outside authority, the ENTJ is the power-authority on all matters affecting him or her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    No. There is literally a scientist that is named "Dario Nardi" that has literally mapped out all the cognitive functions and has created evidence for them through brain scans. For God sake mbti theory woudn't have even been created if it weren't for Jungian cognitive functional theory.
    So why don't we study MBTI in school why isn't it mentioned in any neuroscience or psychology classes? There is very little evidence that links MBTI functions to brain function. It is a personality theory it has nothing to do with how the brain functions.You would have to map out the brain and specify which function correlates to brain function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    No. There is literally a scientist that is named "Dario Nardi" that has literally mapped out all the cognitive functions and has created evidence for them through brain scans. For God sake mbti theory woudn't have even been created if it weren't for Jungian cognitive functional theory.



    1. He can't use Ti for shit.

    2. He hates Ti.

    3. He hates Fe and his Fe is pretty lousy.
    By the way, this hateful usage of typology is little else than evil. Typology is to gain positive understanding of others - not to understand why I hate someone and then use as an excuse to continue hating.
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    (Insert Victor's spiel about how MBTI is evil because it's based off of Carl Jung who was alive at the same time as Hitler and spoke the same language.)

    That's an excellent point regarding the value of typology, however. It's good for trying to understand people who think differently than we do. Granted, I think there are some people who I will always have a hard time understanding.
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    ESFP? He's a sensor, a feeler and an extrovert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    First of all, you should be aware that you're using the < backwards, if Ni is greater than Te in the first case.

    Second, Intuition dominants don't find it necessary to check their facts with experts. They consider their intuitions to be superior - Ni> (greater than) everything else. INTJs are the intellectual-authority in their field of interest.

    Third, the ENTJ will look for evidence that supports their a-priori Te rules in making a decision. The evidence that fails to agree with those rules is discounted - unless their own personal intuition gives them the gut feeling that they are wrong. But this feeling can never come from any outside authority, the ENTJ is the power-authority on all matters affecting him or her.
    This basically what I just said.

    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    So why don't we study MBTI in school why isn't it mentioned in any neuroscience or psychology classes? There is very little evidence that links MBTI functions to brain function. It is a personality theory it has nothing to do with how the brain functions.You would have to map out the brain and specify which function correlates to brain function.
    Bullshit. There is actually a scientist named Dario Nardi that has actually hooked people up to a brain scan and seen these functions at work.

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