Why is Star Trek: Voyager regarded poorly by so many trekkies?

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I liked Voyager better than DS9, personally- though they all had their moments. I have little substantial to say about it since it's been so long since I watched it, though. I just remember as a teen (I think I was 18 when it started airing) being glad to see a prominent woman captain in the Star Trek franchise, and really liking her as a character. I also enjoyed that shape-shifting doctor guy. And 7o9 ticked me off at first because it looked like she was brought in as eye candy but then I remember coming to a begrudging fondness for her character.

I actually liked Enterprise a lot and I agree with you that it would have continued to grow had it remained on air. I mean, there was a beagle on the crew! How cute is that. I also thought the (human) crew had better on-screen chemistry than the crew on Voyager or DS9.

The problem with 7 of 9....

They presented a complex, intelligent character, yet placed her in skin tight bodysuits. Of course it wasn't the first time a Trek series objectified women (Roddenberry was secretly a womanizing perv, by many accounts)

In the context of the fictional universe, Seven's bodysuits are even more ridiculous. IIRC, the Doctor was responsible for "rehumanizing" her physical attributes. Did he really need to give her giant breasts and the ridiculous outfits? They could have placed her in a Starfleet uniform and given her a provisional rank as they did for the Maquis cremembers.

I was a teen when she joined the cast, so I'd be lying if I said I didn't take special notice of her physical attributes, but it was her continuing struggle to regain her humanity which kept me watching. I didn't even become a regular viewer until she joined in season 4. The series' producers succeeded in baiting me with her boobs, but they kept me interested with her brain.

 

[93JC]

The problem with 7 of 9....

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In the context of the fictional universe, Seven's bodysuits are even more ridiculous. IIRC, the Doctor was responsible for "rehumanizing" her physical attributes. Did he really need to give her giant breasts and the ridiculous outfits?

God gave her those.

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I liked Voyager better than DS9, personally

Stopped reading right here.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

God gave her those

The Borg kept them. That's the weird part. Would there be any need for such organs in the collective?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

ha. Who voted Neelix?

 

[Luke O]

Voyager or Enterprise?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Unfair comparison. Better comparison might be Voyager's first 4 seasons vs Enterprise.

It's like comparing TOS to TNG. TNG had 7 seasons to bloom into it's own awesome entity. If you just compared TNG seasons 1-3 to TOS, it's closer to a tie, IMO.

 

[Totenkindly]

The Borg kept them. That's the weird part. Would there be any need for such organs in the collective?

Think how much hard-drive space you could store in those things.

 

[93JC]

The Borg kept them. That's the weird part. Would there be any need for such organs in the collective?

Would there be any reason to hack them off?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Would there be any reason to hack them off?

Well, I guess the Queen liked boobs, as she had her own mechanical body with boobs.

Also, what [MENTION=7]Jennifer[/MENTION] said.

I said boobs. heheheh

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Well, I guess the Queen liked boobs, as she had her own mechanical body with boobs.

Also, what [MENTION=7]Jennifer[/MENTION] said.

I said boobs. heheheh

The proper spelling is bewbs.

 

[Totenkindly]

b00bs for techie-nerds.
... yeesh you guys are such bottom feeders...

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

b00bs for techies.
... yeesh you guys are such bottom feeders...

Isn't that 80085? huh-huh.

 

[Totenkindly]

Isn't that 80085? huh-huh.

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[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

626F6F62730A

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Ok, so the first one is boobs in ASCII (I cheated to confirm that, though).

The second one just turns up gibberish. Shit, I feel like Nicholas Cage in one of those National Treasure movies.

 

[Totenkindly]

Ok, so the first one is boobs in ASCII (I cheated to confirm that, though).

The second one just turns up gibberish. Shit, I feel like Nicholas Cage in one of those National Treasure movies.

.... I did a google on "Nic Cage boobs" and seeing a 9-month pregnant body with Nic Cage's face attached has made me need to lie down....


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Okay, if Nic Cage had ever been cast on Voyager, would that have made people like it better or worse?

 

[BadOctopus]

Okay, if Nic Cage had ever been cast on Voyager, would that have made people like it better or worse?

I could see him playing some neurotic Reg Barclay-type character. But I doubt that would have improved it.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

The proper spelling is bewbs.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I could see him playing some neurotic Reg Barclay-type character. But I doubt that would have improved it.

I think he might make a good security officer.

Would it work for you [MENTION=7]Jennifer[/MENTION]?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Nic Cage would've made an interesting Borg Queen

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]