What Type is Haight?

[Geoff]

It's actually pretty accurate. In my experience, INTJ's state an answer that they have (probably!) intuitively leapt to using their external framework. They aren't keen on INTPs challenging it (because the INTP is seen as never wanting any final usable answer) but will welcome the new finding once it's been shown where they have made an error (if at all).

I get this quite a lot in my work environment (which is technically driven). INTJ makes a common sense intuitive leap to an answer and states it "coldly". This may or not be right - it's often given more severity of delivery than I feel is warranted (perhaps because I'm an INTP... ). I'll tend (as an INTP) to remember some disconnected fact that I bring to his attention, we then bounce this around for a while... the INTJ bringing subsequent facts and rules to my attention in a Te style logic framework, me bringing weird outside Ne style stuff to it, and hammering it down to a working fixed result. This, to me, is a classic INTP/INTJ interaction and highlights the differences between them!

It's quite interesting.. the INTJ is using Te against INTP Ne (so ideas are bouncing off logic) and then the INTJ is judging with Ni vs INTP Ti internally. Fun!

 

[MacGuffin]

*attempts to remove Haight as INTPc admin*

Crap!

 

[Haight]

*attempts to remove Haight as INTPc admin*

Crap!

Make sure you remove yourself first.

 

[white]

A learnt INTJ. Due to influence/external environment.

 

[Haight]

A learnt INTJ. Due to influence/external environment.

Now that's very possible.

 

[MacGuffin]

Make sure you remove yourself first.

That's nowhere near as fun!

Now get back to me on the youtube thread...

 

[Geoff]

Now that's very possible.

Hmm, I'll buy the idea of an INTP that learns to access his J attitude. He'd still be an INTP though, just with an acquired ability or energy to access some organisation skills. Still INTP!

It'd be way harder to learn to actually learn to be an INTJ if you were an INTP To do that one would have to turn Ne and Ti into Te and Ni... the functions are totally opposed due to the J-flip.. and as a result totally submerge the natural type functions. I can't see how that would be possible without tearing apart.

I suppose I ought to reword something from earlier in the thread. The P-J split is the most fundamental in terms of the function usage. If you flip it different functions extravert so it is quite different from the effect of flipping I-E N-S or T-F.

 

[Haight]

Notice how I didn't say that was the case. . . I just said it was "possible."

 

[Geoff]

Notice how I didn't say that was the case. . . I just said it was "possible."

Yes, that's right..."very possible" ! Actually, my intent was to ramble generally about the possibility of INTP / INTJ crossovers rather than apply it specifically to your type (which, I believe, is genuinely INTJ).

 

[Haight]

Actually, I/we have learned a lot via your posts in this thread.

So thanks for that.

 

[Geoff]

Actually, I/we have learned a lot via your posts in this thread.

So thanks for that.

Cool. I'm mostly quoting from a reading of Please Understand Me. Worth it, even if quite a short text, to get at the actual Myers Briggs people's thoughts on the system!

 

[white]

Now that's very possible.

Hmm, I'll buy the idea of an INTP that learns to access his J attitude. He'd still be an INTP though, just with an acquired ability or energy to access some organisation skills. Still INTP!

It'd be way harder to learn to actually learn to be an INTJ if you were an INTP To do that one would have to turn Ne and Ti into Te and Ni... the functions are totally opposed due to the J-flip.. and as a result totally submerge the natural type functions. I can't see how that would be possible without tearing apart.

I suppose I ought to reword something from earlier in the thread. The P-J split is the most fundamental in terms of the function usage. If you flip it different functions extravert so it is quite different from the effect of flipping I-E N-S or T-F.

Geoff, Haight,

To elaborate - I was coming more from the angle of the cognitive functions vs the 4 letters.

As an INTP, the Ti, Ne would be the most developed. For the INTJ, Ni, Te.

When I say learnt, I was guessing that the activities he engages in requires the cognitives of the INTJ - managing this board is a good example of that. Setting up the board would be an INTP though.

Hence my guess is simply that Haight is high on Ti, Ne. He has developed up to a good (or more) status, Te, followed by Ni, but weaker S functions, and low F functions overall - probably Fi higher than Fe though, and Se higher than Si. There is a certain seeking for constancy about him I sense, and a muted playfulness, but I could be wrong.

This is why I said learnt INTJ -> he has managed to access his other cognitives without sacrificing the INTP.

IOW, I think it is possible to develop other functions without tearing apart. What that could hold it together would be Fi and/or Ti.

To quote Fineline "my two cents". Making sense?

 

[htb]

Your few furtive efforts at rapport have been awkward, but endearingly so; and very much like an INTP's.

 

[Haight]

Your few furtive efforts at rapport have been awkward, but endearingly so; and very much like an INTP's.

Wait a second. . . was that a flame!?

 

[htb]

It wasn't.

 

[Haight]

It wasn't.

Was that?

 

[htb]

Was that?

No! You're being awkward again!

...And endearing!

 

[Haight]

No! You're being awkward again!

...And endearing!

Okay, that was definitely a flame. Right?

 

[htb]

Okay, that was definitely a flame. Right?

Indifferent to both a) criticism and b) praise.

INTP.

 

[Haight]

Indifferent to both a) criticism and b) praise.

INTP.

Isn't the fact that I keep replying to your posts an indication that I'm a J?

In other words, a P would have given up by now. . . right?