Westworld (2016)

[Z Buck McFate]

Is anyone else struggling to keep a mental map of when each scene is happening? I've watched each episode at least twice (not to keep times straight, but just because I know I miss things if I only watch it once), and I'm constantly trying to place it. "Okay so wait, this is before Bernard washes ashore on the raft... so Ashley can't die here because he's on the beach when Bernard washes ashore. And soon after that is when all the Host bodies are found floating in the lake - Teddy is one of them, so this thing happening with him and Delores is happening before Bernard washes ashore and probably while Bernard and Elsie are in the cradle..."

I felt like there was a lot of references to Christian iconography in this episode, and I wondered why (perhaps it was a coincidence), but the bit at the end, especially the way you put, it makes sense.

Ford is God resurrected.

In terms of iconography, I felt the use of nails for Abernathy was a deliberate reference to the crucifixion. It's obviously super gory, but it was gory in a way that stood out for me, even in this super-violent show. The method and circumstances involved were just too unusual.


You also have the burning heart, which is a common symbol in Catholic iconography. (Again, that seemed very odd, and stood out for me.) I don't think burning hearts is part of Japanese funeral rituals, and nothing I found here suggests that it is.

And finally, there's Maeve's crew walking out of the graves, like the dead rising again at the last judgement. Consider the way Tarot decks often depict this:

(I love the imagery with this. Something about the way it's so literally depicted. I generally am attracted to the aesthetics of tarot decks, but this one in particular is a favorite of mine.)

Perhaps the bodies found in the lake will be resurrected at the Mesa? Note the presence of water in the card. This would mean the damage control unit was fucked, by the way.

It didn't look like anything to me.

I am finding the parallel between God>Humans and Humans>Hosts interesting and eerie though. The way their perceptual limits are presented really isn't that different from our own limits, and the question about free will is something we face pretty much equivalently.

William's daughter reminds me a lot of Mary Louise Parker. It was driving me crazy at first, trying to figure that out.

 

[chubber]

This is what I think

That MiB is a copy of William, a host, and his "daughter" that is another host, is there to lead him through the door, as in out of the park.

Talulah Riley (Angela) was the sacrificial lamb, or the thorny Christ? So I guess after 3 days, they will rise, 7th day + 3 days, they rise on the 10th day, a day before the 11th day when Karl Strand (Gustaf Skarsgård) arrives and interrogate.

I also have to wonder if Charlotte Hale (Tessa Thompson) was interrogating one of the other Bernard bodies, but with the same or different mind. Just a thought. This wouldn't make sense, because the older copy wouldn't have any idea, the cradle is bust.

Also if they are going to explore Ghost Nation, will they link totem poles with Jews, or are they the followers and play the "Judas"? But will they go the route of where they ask them to sacrifice them, and make them appear as the "Judas" for a reason that helps them, through the "Door"?

Who are the 3 wise men, if that fits into the the theme.

 

[Qlip]

Episode 7 was a huge exposition episode, although a few MORE questions got raised to replace those that were answered. (like, what's the deal with Bernard the Many?)

It's funny how people can have distinctly different experiences.

The second season is definitely not like the first season, although that is not necessarily problematic. It's just thematically and structurally different, to me, with different levels of questions being asked. There's also been a shift in the existential presentation of the two leads (Dolores and Maeve), where Dolores is more a force of nature and someone moving the plotting along rather than explored as deeply and fundamentally as she was in Season 1. But yes, I'd say a more plot-based season altogether so far from the big picture view. We learn how it ends in the opener. But we have no idea how anything got there or what it actually MEANS, hence we're now walking through all the permutations that were taken to reach the ending.

The actors definitely aren't the weak link if there is one, they're all pretty solid and sometimes exquisite. Some really good work being done by them, although it's a shame Talulah Riley didn't get to do a ton this season, aside from this last bit in Episode 7 where she was mesmerizing. Regardless of whether attitudes have shifted about Dolores, Evan Rachel Wood was just stunning in Episode 7 when she is moving between Peter Abernathy and Charlotte Hale. There was too many "convenient interruptions" in this episode unfortunately, as the scenes themselves were unnerving and it felt like the writers ended up just being teases / not having a cajones to actually carry through with something irrevocable... the scenes themselves made my skin crawl, though.

What makes it a mess for you?

Good question, it took me a while to put my finger on it, partially because it is actually blaringly obvious. I think, at the very core, what Totenkindly said is pretty much at the heart of it, the first season isn't like the second season. To me the first season was very much within my preferences, more of a think piece with good acting and great cinematography and a very nice ending, imo. Kind of a like a series version of Arrival, or something similar.

If you judge the second season by those expectations, and I do, it really feels like a dissapointment. There's a more of a Marvel feel to it, the 'hook' seems to be about being attached to the characters and wanting to know what will happen to them next in a setting that is exciting and action packed. As far as the big picture, which I really like, it's hard to feel very attached. The narrative doesn't really give you time to work with the concepts and ideas at hand, and the pieces attached to them, and doesn't really focus on them in itself. Instead it focuses on throw away yet dazzling set pieces, like Samurai world, gun battles, etc. Some things I was really excited to hear about is what does it mean for Dolores to be both herself and Wyatt, I was expecting to get some sort of insight into a fractured dual personality. I wanted to know and understand how strange and different it might be to be emergently self-aware, especially so I could attempt to empathize with supposedly strange forms of consciousness, and was perhaps hoping to see the sorts of things that could emerge from the 'not us'. I was slightly excited to hear about this kind of unconscious network the hosts had, and wondered if there could be some sort of collective gestalt at play.

Maybe the ideas wouldn't be those specifically, but I was definitely hoping for something more grand and original and speculative in nature. Now it feels more like watching people play a video game. The more interesting aspects right now to me are Ford's plans, and Bernard's place in them, I'm hoping that'll lead to something interesting.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

One thing I love about this show is all the instrumental covers of rock/pop songs. I love that minute when I'm trying to piece together a familiar melody before I figure out what it is.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Is anyone else struggling to keep a mental map of when each scene is happening? I've watched each episode at least twice (not to keep times straight, but just because I know I miss things if I only watch it once), and I'm constantly trying to place it. "Okay so wait, this is before Bernard washes ashore on the raft... so Ashley can't die here because he's on the beach when Bernard washes ashore. And soon after that is when all the Host bodies are found floating in the lake - Teddy is one of them, so this thing happening with him and Delores is happening before Bernard washes ashore and probably while Bernard and Elsie are in the cradle..."

Yeah, I find that tricky. I guess probably the thing that takes place the latest is that scene when they brought all the hosts to the mesa and found out that a lot of them had their control units wiped. Presumably they were recovered from the deluge. Somebody on another site said they saw Teddy in the water, but I didn't notice it.

 

[ceecee]

Is anyone else struggling to keep a mental map of when each scene is happening? I've watched each episode at least twice (not to keep times straight, but just because I know I miss things if I only watch it once), and I'm constantly trying to place it. "Okay so wait, this is before Bernard washes ashore on the raft... so Ashley can't die here because he's on the beach when Bernard washes ashore. And soon after that is when all the Host bodies are found floating in the lake - Teddy is one of them, so this thing happening with him and Delores is happening before Bernard washes ashore and probably while Bernard and Elsie are in the cradle..."

YES! It's annoying (but not enough to make me stop watching).

It didn't look like anything to me.

Heh

I am finding the parallel between God>Humans and Humans>Hosts interesting and eerie though. The way their perceptual limits are presented really isn't that different from our own limits, and the question about free will is something we face pretty much equivalently.

This is what keeps me watching. I know there is more going on than I see. Once I stopped thinking about it too much, I enjoyed it more.

Episode 8 “Kiksuya,” it was heartbreaking. And I loved that the vast majority of the episode was this story and didn't really jump around much. I also think this is a stand against the US, once again, using the same tired assed anti-immigrant rhetoric they have used for a couple hundred years and lashing out at multilingualism.

I don't think Akecheta is tattooing the maze on scalps.
The whole episode with Mave and her daughter wasn't the Ghost Nation trying to kill her - Akecheta was trying to warn her. Speaking of Mave..
She is communicating this whole time. With Akecheta and others.
Lee! I knew he would become more interesting (and human) than he was in Season 1
MiB and daughter...interesting.

 

[Totenkindly]

The thing with Lee -- despite his deficiencies as a human being, he's also a storyteller. It's his job. he takes pride in it, even if he sucks sometimes.

You cannot be a storyteller without feeling compassion or connections with other beings around you. Because you naturally will perceive the joy and the pain in their lives. If you're any good, you will be able to identify with others to some degree.

What happened is that Lee moved away from just 'creating art' meant to make himself feel validated and he's really grasping what stories are about, and what is at stake in individual lives. he's growing up a bit. And growing out. Even if he can't articulate it yet beyond the most simple ways, sometimes the simplest way is the core of it. I hope his growth continues.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Somebody on another site said they saw Teddy in the water, but I didn't notice it.

Yes, I saw him too. And they also showed him on a pile of host bodies pulled from the deluge, back in the underground area with glass walls (whatever it's called, where hosts get worked on) - it's specifically mentioned they are host bodies pulled from the water.

***

I think they used Zahn McClarnon really well. It's different from every role I've seen him play before yet he did it well. I think he's the first host who doesn't look completely dead behind the eyes when 'shut off' - which fits the story, McClarnon found a blank expression with exactly enough embers still glowing behind the eyes to match the story being told about him; he remembers even more than Maeve and he never really shuts off.

There's something profoundly sad, to me, about when he mentions the thing about being in the wrong world to others.

 

[chubber]

Yes, I saw him too. And they also showed him on a pile of host bodies pulled from the deluge, back in the underground area with glass walls (whatever it's called, where hosts get worked on) - it's specifically mentioned they are host bodies pulled from the water.

***

I think they used Zahn McClarnon really well. It's different from every role I've seen him play before yet he did it well. I think he's the first host who doesn't look completely dead behind the eyes when 'shut off' - which fits the story, McClarnon found a blank expression with exactly enough embers still glowing behind the eyes to match the story being told about him; he remembers even more than Maeve and he never really shuts off.

There's something profoundly sad, to me, about when he mentions the thing about being in the wrong world to others.

It must be sad to be awake, while no one else to share it with.

With Lee, I was thinking of Black Mirror, San Junipero. Wondering if Lee would consider doing the same to end up with Maeve (if it is that kind of feeling).

I'm trying to be a passenger and enjoy the story.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

It must be sad to be awake, while no one else to share it with.

Yeah, that's wrenching in itself.

There's something else kinda hovering in there too, though. It's like the same thing William experienced, although the trajectories are reversed: William progressively feels unsatisfied with the real world because he's convinced there's something that's going to make life meaningful in Westworld; Akecheta feels like anything with real meaning must be outside of it. Or something.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Oh William. Holy shit.

If Teddy just shot himself in the head, then maybe the point in time where they find all the hosts floating in that body of water is actually much later than it seems. I think Teddy is going to need to be 'fixed' (whatever they call it when they revive hosts) first, at any rate, because they show his head later from many angles and I think I'd have noticed a head injury. Yet I thought the cradle had been destroyed at this point, so how can he be brought back? Or maybe there are extra host bodies somewhere, like Bernard had.

Oy gevalt, this timeline.

 

[Beorn]

Soooooo...

It really wasn't his daughter??? The first story about finding the profile was that her mother put it in her clothing, but later we see her mother actually put the profile in the music box.

Ford REALLY loves fucking with William.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Soooooo...

It really wasn't his daughter??? The first story about finding the profile was that her mother put it in her clothing, but later we see her mother actually put the profile in the music box.

Ford REALLY loves fucking with William.

I assumed showing Juliet put the profile chip in the music box was to show us how the daughter found it. Presumably, the Emily found the music box, and thus the profile. I didn't remember the part about her putting it in her clothing. I remember Emily saying something about clothing, but I didn't really catch what it was.


I don't think William is a host. I think he's just so far gone that he thinks he's a host, which is why he cuts his arm open.

 

[Beorn]

I assumed showing Juliet put the profile chip in the music box was to show us how the daughter found it. Presumably, the Emily found the music box, and thus the profile. I didn't remember the part about her putting it in her clothing. I remember Emily saying something about clothing, but I didn't really catch what it was.


I don't think William is a host. I think he's just so far gone that he thinks he's a host, which is why he cuts his arm open.

I was wrong

She just says "mom left it for me" and then they show William taking the profile out of his jacket. When I first saw it I thought it was her mom putting it in her clothing.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

I assumed showing Juliet put the profile chip in the music box was to show us how the daughter found it. Presumably, the Emily found the music box, and thus the profile. I didn't remember the part about her putting it in her clothing. I remember Emily saying something about clothing, but I didn't really catch what it was.

Yes, this was exactly my impression as well. I'll probably watch the episode again at some point this week though, so I'll pay attention to what she says in the beginning.

If she found the card in the music box though, it would make sense out of why she'd brought it up in the beginning of the episode. She would have discovered - immediately after her mother committed suicide - that her mom found the music box in the trash; it would explain why Emily tied guilt about throwing it away to reasons that possibly contributed to her mom getting to that point.

 

[Totenkindly]

Man, so what was i thinking, that maybe I could escape the existential crush of The Handmaid's Tale by watching an episode of Westworld?

Episode 9 was a pretty brutal hour of television.

My read on everything being discussed is that

(1) Emily is dead, (2) Teddy is dead, and (3) William's kind of losing it and cuts open his arm to check and see if HE'S a host because he just fucking shot his own daughter dead in the heart thinking SHE was a host. Or maybe he was digging for that "stain." I don't know -- when humans are in pain or mentally bewildered, they sometimes self-mutilate in order to find clarity / something to cling to.

Anyway, I think both of them really have to be dead in order for the events here to have any meaning in the characters of William and Dolores.

What really happened in this episode is that everything came due, the birds came home to roost. People (humans AND hosts) were doing crazy shit, following their own ideologies without apparent cost. Well, guess what -- when you chase stuff down obsessively as some of them were, there WILL be a cost to pay. And that cost appeared in Episode 9.

It doesn't make it any less heartwrenching and heartbreaking.

I did really like seeing Sela Ward. I love her, and I hope I have as much grace and beauty when I pass 60 as she has.

All that kept this episode from being REALLY crushing was the conversation between Ford and Maeve. That was really beautiful, especially when he comments about how she violated the story he had scripted for her (as we had speculated) in order to stay and find her daughter. He wanted to protect her, but she made a different choice... and it's a choice he is mirroring himself.

See, what happened in this episode was that a few hosts finally and irrefutably expressed their own volition:

Teddy refuses to shoot the one Ghost in the back -- a first sign he can make his own choices despite emotionally being a killer -- and then reaffirms his love for Dolores, how the sun rises and sets with her, and how he could never hurt her... but he also can't live with being the monster she made him. So he takes control of his life by ending it.

Bernard rejects Ford's constant taunts to hurt Elise again, he's remaining true to his own image of himself.

With Dolores:

She's been on this "Wyatt" rampage and war against the humans since the end of last season, when she chose to murder Ford of her own free will. It's a heady thing, to feel like you have autonomy over your life and that your will can take you to high places and lofty goals. Dolores feels unstoppable after embracing herself... but like any zealot, she also was able to justify to herself doing things to others she claimed to love that are identical to that the violations practiced by the humans.

She didn't realize how it could spin out of control, or that she could be hurt. She even rationalized changing Teddy in order to protect him AND serve her goals.

Maybe Dolores experienced free will finally last season, but she has never really had to pay the cost for her choices finally made out of her newfound freedom. She's just been running up her bill this season. Well, this is a bitter bitter episode for her. She has now lost the one person she really loved and felt fated to be with... mainly because of what she did to him.

I really like that even when Teddy is contemplating shooting himself -- and I'm sure most of us scanned it that way -- Dolores is clueless. She can only think in terms of whether Teddy will hurt HER... and how he never would. And she's right. But she's completely blind to his own existential dilemma, the one she put him in. Completely insensitive. She really doesn't sense the peril until he puts the gun to his own head, and then it's too late for both of them.

I'm not sure where Dolores will go in the finale, but it's a formative moment in anyone's life, when you fuck something up so bad someone you love is destroyed by it. It's either going to push her over the edge or completely turn her around. Not sure which.

At least the trailer brings a gleam of hope or some kind of relief after all the tragedy lurking in this episode:

I think Maeve will get away, or at least fight one last time. Thank god. She's got the posse with her too.

And .... is Bernard really Bernard, at the end of this, after seeing the teaser? I think we discussed this after watching the opening season episode -- how he didn't seem like himself. Is someone riding in there?

Is the flood gonna wipe out the Forge?

And Is there any symbolism between the flood in the valley and Teddy Flood? It seems an odd choice of name if there's no connection.

 

[ceecee]

Man, so what was i thinking, that maybe I could escape the existential crush of The Handmaid's Tale by watching an episode of Westworld?

Episode 9 was a pretty brutal hour of television.

My read on everything being discussed is that

(1) Emily is dead, (2) Teddy is dead, and (3) William's kind of losing it and cuts open his arm to check and see if HE'S a host because he just fucking shot his own daughter dead in the heart thinking SHE was a host. Or maybe he was digging for that "stain." I don't know -- when humans are in pain or mentally bewildered, they sometimes self-mutilate in order to find clarity / something to cling to.

Anyway, I think both of them really have to be dead in order for the events here to have any meaning in the characters of William and Dolores.

What really happened in this episode is that everything came due, the birds came home to roost. People (humans AND hosts) were doing crazy shit, following their own ideologies without apparent cost. Well, guess what -- when you chase stuff down obsessively as some of them were, there WILL be a cost to pay. And that cost appeared in Episode 9.

It doesn't make it any less heartwrenching and heartbreaking.

I did really like seeing Sela Ward. I love her, and I hope I have as much grace and beauty when I pass 60 as she has.

All that kept this episode from being REALLY crushing was the conversation between Ford and Maeve. That was really beautiful, especially when he comments about how she violated the story he had scripted for her (as we had speculated) in order to stay and find her daughter. He wanted to protect her, but she made a different choice... and it's a choice he is mirroring himself.

See, what happened in this episode was that a few hosts finally and irrefutably expressed their own volition:

Teddy refuses to shoot the one Ghost in the back -- a first sign he can make his own choices despite emotionally being a killer -- and then reaffirms his love for Dolores, how the sun rises and sets with her, and how he could never hurt her... but he also can't live with being the monster she made him. So he takes control of his life by ending it.

Bernard rejects Ford's constant taunts to hurt Elise again, he's remaining true to his own image of himself.

With Dolores:

She's been on this "Wyatt" rampage and war against the humans since the end of last season, when she chose to murder Ford of her own free will. It's a heady thing, to feel like you have autonomy over your life and that your will can take you to high places and lofty goals. Dolores feels unstoppable after embracing herself... but like any zealot, she also was able to justify to herself doing things to others she claimed to love that are identical to that the violations practiced by the humans.

She didn't realize how it could spin out of control, or that she could be hurt. She even rationalized changing Teddy in order to protect him AND serve her goals.

Maybe Dolores experienced free will finally last season, but she has never really had to pay the cost for her choices finally made out of her newfound freedom. She's just been running up her bill this season. Well, this is a bitter bitter episode for her. She has now lost the one person she really loved and felt fated to be with... mainly because of what she did to him.

I really like that even when Teddy is contemplating shooting himself -- and I'm sure most of us scanned it that way -- Dolores is clueless. She can only think in terms of whether Teddy will hurt HER... and how he never would. And she's right. But she's completely blind to his own existential dilemma, the one she put him in. Completely insensitive. She really doesn't sense the peril until he puts the gun to his own head, and then it's too late for both of them.

I'm not sure where Dolores will go in the finale, but it's a formative moment in anyone's life, when you fuck something up so bad someone you love is destroyed by it. It's either going to push her over the edge or completely turn her around. Not sure which.

At least the trailer brings a gleam of hope or some kind of relief after all the tragedy lurking in this episode:

I think Maeve will get away, or at least fight one last time. Thank god. She's got the posse with her too.

And .... is Bernard really Bernard, at the end of this, after seeing the teaser? I think we discussed this after watching the opening season episode -- how he didn't seem like himself. Is someone riding in there?

Is the flood gonna wipe out the Forge?

And Is there any symbolism between the flood in the valley and Teddy Flood? It seems an odd choice of name if there's no connection.

Nope. But I am looking forward to the finale. Teddy Flood, I didn't even think of that until you mentioned it.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Man, so what was i thinking, that maybe I could escape the existential crush of The Handmaid's Tale by watching an episode of Westworld?

Episode 9 was a pretty brutal hour of television.

My read on everything being discussed is that

(1) Emily is dead, (2) Teddy is dead, and (3) William's kind of losing it and cuts open his arm to check and see if HE'S a host because he just fucking shot his own daughter dead in the heart thinking SHE was a host. Or maybe he was digging for that "stain." I don't know -- when humans are in pain or mentally bewildered, they sometimes self-mutilate in order to find clarity / something to cling to.

Anyway, I think both of them really have to be dead in order for the events here to have any meaning in the characters of William and Dolores.

What really happened in this episode is that everything came due, the birds came home to roost. People (humans AND hosts) were doing crazy shit, following their own ideologies without apparent cost. Well, guess what -- when you chase stuff down obsessively as some of them were, there WILL be a cost to pay. And that cost appeared in Episode 9.

It doesn't make it any less heartwrenching and heartbreaking.

I did really like seeing Sela Ward. I love her, and I hope I have as much grace and beauty when I pass 60 as she has.

All that kept this episode from being REALLY crushing was the conversation between Ford and Maeve. That was really beautiful, especially when he comments about how she violated the story he had scripted for her (as we had speculated) in order to stay and find her daughter. He wanted to protect her, but she made a different choice... and it's a choice he is mirroring himself.

See, what happened in this episode was that a few hosts finally and irrefutably expressed their own volition:

Teddy refuses to shoot the one Ghost in the back -- a first sign he can make his own choices despite emotionally being a killer -- and then reaffirms his love for Dolores, how the sun rises and sets with her, and how he could never hurt her... but he also can't live with being the monster she made him. So he takes control of his life by ending it.

Bernard rejects Ford's constant taunts to hurt Elise again, he's remaining true to his own image of himself.

With Dolores:

She's been on this "Wyatt" rampage and war against the humans since the end of last season, when she chose to murder Ford of her own free will. It's a heady thing, to feel like you have autonomy over your life and that your will can take you to high places and lofty goals. Dolores feels unstoppable after embracing herself... but like any zealot, she also was able to justify to herself doing things to others she claimed to love that are identical to that the violations practiced by the humans.

She didn't realize how it could spin out of control, or that she could be hurt. She even rationalized changing Teddy in order to protect him AND serve her goals.

Maybe Dolores experienced free will finally last season, but she has never really had to pay the cost for her choices finally made out of her newfound freedom. She's just been running up her bill this season. Well, this is a bitter bitter episode for her. She has now lost the one person she really loved and felt fated to be with... mainly because of what she did to him.

I really like that even when Teddy is contemplating shooting himself -- and I'm sure most of us scanned it that way -- Dolores is clueless. She can only think in terms of whether Teddy will hurt HER... and how he never would. And she's right. But she's completely blind to his own existential dilemma, the one she put him in. Completely insensitive. She really doesn't sense the peril until he puts the gun to his own head, and then it's too late for both of them.

I'm not sure where Dolores will go in the finale, but it's a formative moment in anyone's life, when you fuck something up so bad someone you love is destroyed by it. It's either going to push her over the edge or completely turn her around. Not sure which.

At least the trailer brings a gleam of hope or some kind of relief after all the tragedy lurking in this episode:

I think Maeve will get away, or at least fight one last time. Thank god. She's got the posse with her too.

And .... is Bernard really Bernard, at the end of this, after seeing the teaser? I think we discussed this after watching the opening season episode -- how he didn't seem like himself. Is someone riding in there?

Is the flood gonna wipe out the Forge?

And Is there any symbolism between the flood in the valley and Teddy Flood? It seems an odd choice of name if there's no connection.

I noticed the resurrection symbols I predicted this week, although the context was a little different than I imagined.. I thought it would be something Dolores did rather than something Charlotte set up.

I can see Maeve becoming kind of a ghost in the machine. Sort of like Ford was before he uploaded to Bernard. That seems to be the logical endpoint of her powers. Especially if the actress wants to do other things. She wouldn't necessarily need to be in every episode.

 

[Forever]

With the overdone flashbacks this season, ep 9 kind of kicked out some of the cheesiness from the show.

Wyatt did the thing I exactly hoped he done which made me happy. Odd I’m rather happy about this. I really don’t like Delores as much as I did in S1 but perhaps S3 Delores will be enjoyable as maybe she’ll see that being a ruthless renegade won’t help her actualize her potential.

The show needn’t to be so focused on the wizard of oz or otherwise known as Ford.

Season finale looks promising and hope S3 leads to excitement and not regrets

 

[Totenkindly]

I have no idea where Season 3 is even going to go.

Real world? Restore some of the damaged worlds? Who really knows anymore? But not knowing is kind of exciting.