Vaccines-The True Weapons Of Mass Destruction

[Xann]

22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism

 

[Fun in the Sun]

It's threads like these which have made the internet such a dangerous place of misinformation. Please close it. There are plenty of other places to discuss conspiracy theories. This theory has already been debunked, yet it still persists like a virus that won't stop spreading.

 

[Xann]

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Jenny McCarthy is so inspiring and smart. I'm so inspired. Derp derp.

 

[Xann]

Jenny McCarthy is so inspiring and smart. I'm so inspired. Derp derp.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Welp, she's famous and talking on TV, so she must know her shit

 

[Xann]

Welp, she's famous and talking on TV, so she must know her shit

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

They're so smart. I'm going to do what Jim and Jenny tell me to do.

 

[Xann]

They're so smart. I'm going to do what Jim and Jenny tell me to do.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

rob schneider is a smart feller.

 

[Xann]

So much Poe's Law.



Sarcasm's gotten tacky.

What makes you think I'm being sarcastic exactly?

 

[Cygnus]

What makes you think I'm being sarcastic exactly?

Eh. Not implying that I'm not well aware of the issue, it just always seemed petty to me to repeatedly expect bad proposals to speak for themselves. It's very condescending IMO.

 

[Xann]

It's easy to tell that this information is incorrect.

It's just as easy to assume that this information is incorrect due to fallacious reasonings.

But you seem to be implying that a newcomer to the issue could immediately understand the fallacy of the issue at first glance without further investigation.

What makes you think newcomers to the issue are my target audience? Don't you think it's a bit condescending to judge my intent in this manner, or perhaps the forum population itself? If anything the other posts in this thread are indicative of tremendous problems with fallacious appeal to authority when it comes to this issue.

If you understand the issue then seeing these propositions is almost redundant; if you've never seen the issue before you wouldn't know the fallacy of this position just on first glance of seeing the knowledge presented, you'd have to read and critique it first.

Not implying that I'm not well aware of the issue, it just always seemed petty to me to repeatedly expect bad proposals to speak for themselves. It's very condescending IMO.

Eh, it's much more condescending to trounce into a thread and denigrate it and the issue at hand with an almost religious zealotry without likely even watching the video or information presented. I'm glad you at least have the courtesy to admit that you're not well aware of the issue, which is more than can be said about the vast majority of the presidential candidates.

 

[Poki]

I just helped a friend yesterday discuss "correlation vs causation" for a psychology lesson.

 

[Cygnus]

What makes you think newcomers to the issue are my target audience? Don't you think it's a bit condescending to judge my intent in this manner, or perhaps the forum population itself? If anything the other posts in this thread are indicative of tremendous problems with fallacious appeal to authority when it comes to this issue.

Didn't think of that. On imageboards I've seen so many clusterfucks of anti-vaxxer hate it just seems boorish and accomplishes nothing. Misread your intent by a longshot.

But I did watch the first couple vids. Seems like more information that's potentially plausible but so far I didn't see a lot of absolute proof. But again, nothing seems to disprove what was presented.

 

[Poki]

Ok, listened to half of that first video. She talks to moronic pediatricians with a potty issue. Her questions have been answered many times over.

We are not sick when we get a vaccines. It crazy how stuck on...it can't be disputed...people get instead of stepping back and just flat out saying that's a stupid analogy that does not apply.

Will listen to others, first one has crap reasonings. My friend ate a strawberry seed the other day and almost died. My ex sisters husband ate a peanut and almost died. We are all different some of us are immune to certain things while others arent. It doesn't mean stop. It means go back to the drawing board and reassesss what we are doing and what we have to understand these couple cases.

I am a programmer and we got some code from a contractor that caught an error and called exit. That exit brought down the entire application server because of some little issue that should have been researched and handled.

 

[Xann]

Ok, listened to half of that first video. She talks to moronic pediatricians with a potty issue. Her questions have been answered many times over.

We are not sick when we get a vaccines. It crazy how stuck on...it can't be disputed...people get instead of stepping back and just flat out saying that's a stupid analogy that does not apply.

Feel free to speak for yourself and say that you don't get sick when you get a vaccine, but there are mountains of evidence to the contrary that there is a direct link between the application of vaccines and consequent severe symptoms in numerous cases (not just newborn infants, but adults as well).

Will listen to others, first one has crap reasonings. My friend ate a strawberry seed the other day and almost died. My ex sisters husband ate a peanut and almost died. We are all different some of us are immune to certain things while others arent. It doesn't mean stop. It means go back to the drawing board and reassesss what we are doing and what we have to understand these couple cases.

So...if that is what you honestly believe, then why are you seemingly pro-vaccine with the methods that are being used now (enforced by law) potentially having the capability to do harm to an unknown segment of the population? Would you similarly enforce that your friend be force fed a strawberry seed if there was a scientific experiment done in the 1960's that nebulously provided "evidence" that it would reduce her chance of contracting hepatitis C in the future by 60%? No, it doesn't necessarily mean stop, what is being advocated here is less vaccines at a time and perhaps having their number reduced overall for rare and potentially inapplicable illnesses. What you suggest to do is being prevented by hardline pro-vaccine zealots and pharmaceutical companies; these cases are not being given their due assessments and are being written off without even being examined by the vast majority of the public. It is not only celebrities like Jenny McCarthy who have made this conclusion, people aren't following and listening to her because she's a celebrity, it's because many of them have had first hand experience with the damages these vaccines and methods of vaccinations are causing. To go back to the drawing board would be at the very least, to allow parents to have free choice when it comes to the timing of these vaccines being administrated to their newborn babies.

I am a programmer and we got some code from a contractor that caught an error and called exit. That exit brought down the entire application server because of some little issue that should have been researched and handled.

The little issues are not being researched and handled when it comes to vaccination, the equivalent would be your entire company being forced to use the erroneous code forever because the contractors (pharmaceutical companies) own a large stake in your company (the government) and will not admit to error or the possibility of losing their contract money.

 

[Poki]

Feel free to speak for yourself and say that you don't get sick when you get a vaccine, but there are mountains of evidence to the contrary that there is a direct link between the application of vaccines and consequent severe symptoms in numerous cases (not just newborn infants, but adults as well).



So...if that is what you honestly believe, then why are you seemingly pro-vaccine with the methods that are being used now (enforced by law) potentially having the capability to do harm to an unknown segment of the population? Would you similarly enforce that your friend be force fed a strawberry seed if there was a scientific experiment done in the 1960's that nebulously provided "evidence" that it would reduce her chance of contracting hepatitis C in the future by 60%? No, it doesn't necessarily mean stop, what is being advocated here is less vaccines at a time and perhaps having their number reduced overall for rare and potentially inapplicable illnesses. What you suggest to do is being prevented by hardline pro-vaccine zealots and pharmaceutical companies; these cases are not being given their due assessments and are being written off without even being examined by the vast majority of the public. It is not only celebrities like Jenny McCarthy who have made this conclusion, people aren't following and listening to her because she's a celebrity, it's because many of them have had first hand experience with the damages these vaccines and methods of vaccinations are causing. To go back to the drawing board would be at the very least, to allow parents to have free choice when it comes to the timing of these vaccines being administrated to their newborn babies.



The little issues are not being researched and handled when it comes to vaccination, the equivalent would be your entire company being forced to use the erroneous code forever because the contractors (pharmaceutical companies) own a large stake in your company (the government) and will not admit to error or the possibility of losing their contract money.

It's a joke of a topic. People die without it, they die with it. Anti-vaccine is just as much guilty of killing people as pro-vaccine. It's not a black and white subject and for every case against there is a case for it. I truly believe it helps more then hurts. If they ban vaccines I don't care either. It's a mute point because it's a bunch of "look at me". If my son died from a vaccine I would look at statistics of how many it helps and judge how I fight not just go anti-vaccine. Shit happens and it sucks. Your looking at someone who digs to the deeper underlying cause not some high level my cousin almost died from giving birth to her second child so no one should have sex crap. I have feelings, it would destroy me, but it doesn't blind me. That first video did not scream...I understand...it screamed....I am selling shit. This is just my opinion. My cause would be how do you identify people with issues, how can we provide a way to test the response, etc. Let's move forward not fight or flight.

I can speak for myself and everyone i know about not getting deathly ill. I can speak for someone who got polio because it took to long for vaccine to come out. About a year or 2 to long. She has major issues with pain and can't walk good. This isn't a my story vs your story because I am not more important then you, neither is my son and you aren't more important then me. We are people, we matter the same. This is a society issue, not a me vs you issue.

 

[Xann]

It's a joke of a topic. People die without it, they die with it. Anti-vaccine is just as much guilty of killing people as pro-vaccine.

You know, it used to be mainstream that smoking was good for your health, and people used the exact same arguments that you're using now to justify doing nothing about it. It's not a scientific attitude, it's lazy nihilism and an attempt to stop others from rocking the boat.

It's not a black and white subject and for every case against there is a case for it. I truly believe it helps more then hurts. If they ban vaccines I don't care either. It's a mute point because it's a bunch of "look at me".

It has become a black and white subject because they are now required by law. It has nothing to do with a bunch of "look at me", what you're doing in here railing against a topic you know apparently zilch about is much more representative of that attitude than either side of the argument. If you truly don't care about the topic, then it would follow that you wouldn't bother discussing it with those who care enough to have an informed opinion.

If my son died from a vaccine I would look at statistics of how many it helps and judge how I fight not just go anti-vaccine. Shit happens and it sucks. Your looking at someone who digs to the deeper underlying cause not some high level my cousin almost died from giving birth to her second child so no one should have sex crap.

Perhaps what it would take is for you to be personally affected by vaccines to adequately judge how to "fight"; what makes you assume that anyone who is anti-vaccine has not actually looked at the statistics? Would you only be motivated to research the topic before feeling obligated to offer your opinion if your son died? How do you know that you wouldn't idly sit on the fence as you are now believing that "correlation =/= causation" just as the pro-smoking crowd did in the 60's and 70's as well as the pharmaceutical companies that pushed thalidomide?

I have feelings, it would destroy me, but it doesn't blind me. That first video did not scream...I understand...it screamed....I am selling shit. This is just my opinion. My cause would be how do you identify people with issues, how can we provide a way to test the response, etc. Let's move forward not fight or flight.

To move forward requires discussing and examining the issue thoroughly, which is what I and countless others are currently attempting to do, despite attempted obfuscation and condescension from the uninformed majority.

 

[Poki]

You know, it used to be mainstream that smoking was good for your health, and people used the exact same arguments that you're using now to justify doing nothing about it. It's not a scientific attitude, it's lazy nihilism and an attempt to stop others from rocking the boat.




It has become a black and white subject because they are now required by law. It has nothing to do with a bunch of "look at me", what you're doing in here railing against a topic you know apparently zilch about is much more representative of that attitude than either side of the argument. If you truly don't care about the topic, then it would follow that you wouldn't bother discussing it with those who care enough to have an informed opinion.




Perhaps what it would take is for you to be personally affected by vaccines to adequately judge how to "fight"; what makes you assume that anyone who is anti-vaccine has not actually looked at the statistics? Would you only be motivated to research the topic before feeling obligated to offer your opinion if your son died? How do you know that you wouldn't idly sit on the fence as you are now believing that "correlation =/= causation" just as the pro-smoking crowd did in the 60's and 70's as well as the pharmaceutical companies that pushed thalidomide?



To move forward requires discussing and examining the issue thoroughly, which is what I and countless others are currently attempting to do, despite attempted obfuscation and condescension from the uninformed majority.

I offered my uneducated opinion. The anti arguments are pathetic that I have heard. Go back to the drawing board and come up with better stuff.
I have given reasons why I believe arguments are stupid. Fight or flight is crap. Fight me or run, I don't care. I recomend going back and providing better arguments and reasoning. Argue my lack of knowledge and deem me stupid and then spew crap that the uneducated don't like and then blame them for being dumb and uneducated. Spin your wheels...fight...whatever you do I would refrain from using that first video for sure. Still gotta watch other videos.