Trump vs. Biden

[Z Buck McFate]

Good grief - humans believe so much that is nonsensical. After all, belief implies the acceptance of something in the absence of evidence. and most of these nonsense theories certainly qualify.

If I remember correctly, all it takes is being repeatedly exposed to the information and being surrounded by others who believe it. Add to that "alternative perspectives are a threat" and voila: unwavering, deep-rooted conviction in something for which there is absolutely no evidence.

 

[FemMecha]

Welcome to Trumpland...

 

[Coriolis]

If I remember correctly, all it takes is being repeatedly exposed to the information and being surrounded by others who believe it. Add to that "alternative perspectives are a threat" and voila: unwavering, deep-rooted conviction in something for which there is absolutely no evidence.

Reminds me of the notion of The Big Lie.

 

[The Cat]

Reminds me of the notion of The Big Lie.

A lie is just a lie, but if your friends and family are in on it, it becomes a commonly held belief.

 

[Jaguar]

NEWSMAX RECOGNIZES BIDEN WIN IN A BREAK FROM FEEDING TRUMP’S ELECTION DELUSIONS
The right-wing channel began referring to “president-elect” Biden after Monday’s Electoral College vote, even as emerging MAGA star Greg Kelly tells Newsmax viewers the election “is not over.”

Who the hell is Greg Kelly?

 

[FemMecha]

If I remember correctly, all it takes is being repeatedly exposed to the information and being surrounded by others who believe it. Add to that "alternative perspectives are a threat" and voila: unwavering, deep-rooted conviction in something for which there is absolutely no evidence.

I think there is also a juvenilization dynamic occurring because during the toddler and childhood stages we are evolved to obey our parents without understanding the big picture, but more as a survival reflex. That cognitive dependency can be seen exploited in adults when authority takes on a parental role. Religions do tend to foster this dynamic to varying degrees depending on denominations and specific groups. I mention it not to disregard all religion, but to show that. society can rehearse these dynamics so when a government leader takes hold of the juvenilization, they can draw from it. It is the reason Trump is making religious allusions. I have also wondered if Trump reminds a lot of people of their fathers, and so obey him in a similar dynamic.

Americans are reasoning as children right now en masse, abeit dangerous children.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I recognize it, but I'm just saying. I think humanity has mass insanity and so have no problem knowing that people are not only capable of believing mutually exclusive notions, but they seem to be particularly attracted to them. Cognitive dissonance is behaving like a mind altering substance. Maybe it releases more neurotransmitters, so people are getting off on it?

Edit: I'm not proposing this seriously, but more casual wondering.

I wasn't sure (although I doubted you were one of those ). I've had a lot of conversations with more moderate people that are extremely frustrating because they fancy themselves pragmatists but don't seem to have understanding of how and what people actually believe. "Oh, nobody would ever call Joe Biden a socialist." It's so odd that I have to consider it willful ignorance. I think they're not nearly as pragmatic as they think they are. They seem to be the ones filled with a lot of idealistic ideas about this country that have little bearing in reality.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Good grief - humans believe so much that is nonsensical. After all, belief implies the acceptance of something in the absence of evidence. and most of these nonsense theories certainly qualify.

Yup!

 

[Jaguar]

Nobody would ever call Biden a socialist. Yeah, right. Trumpsters chanted that crap for the last year. Joe got tired of the nonsense and said in a speech on TV:

'Do I Look Like a Radical Socialist With a Soft Spot for Rioters?'

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Reminds me of the notion of The Big Lie.

It doesn't even have to be big (in that sense). I'm terrible at recalling specific terms, but it's something that comes up in topics about group influence on individuals. The longer an individual is immersed in a group that believes something, the more the individual believes it too. Regardless of the nature of the relationship between the individuals.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Nobody would ever call Biden a socialist. Yeah, right. Trumpsters chanted that crap for the last year. Joe got tired of the nonsense and said in a speech on TV:

'Do I Look Like a Radical Socialist With a Soft Spot for Rioters?'

You reacted the same way during primary season, bub.

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It's not something nobody could have predicted, that the Trump people would call Biden a socialist, lol.

 

[Jaguar]

You reacted the same way during primary season, bub.

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It's not something nobody could have predicted, that the Trump people would call Biden a socialist, lol.

Nothing anyone says surprises me. Nothing anyone does surprises me. That's because I think a large number of people have lost their fucking mind.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Nothing anyone says surprises me. Nothing anyone does surprises me. That's because I think a large number of people have lost their fucking mind.

I thought they were mostly bots?

 

[Z Buck McFate]

I think there is also a juvenilization dynamic occurring because during the toddler and childhood stages we are evolved to obey our parents without understanding the big picture, but more as a survival reflex. That cognitive dependency can be seen exploited in adults when authority takes on a parental role. Religions do tend to foster this dynamic to varying degrees depending on denominations and specific groups. I mention it not to disregard all religion, but to show that. society can rehearse these dynamics so when a government leader takes hold of the juvenilization, they can draw from it. It is the reason Trump is making religious allusions. I have also wondered if Trump reminds a lot of people of their fathers, and so obey him in a similar dynamic.

Americans are reasoning as children right now en masse, abeit dangerous children.

Brene Brown has a spiel about how trust is like a jar of marbles: it's built up slowly over time, we put a marble in every time our experience of someone assures us we can trust them, and when the jar has accumulated enough marbles we have a very strong, instinctive trust in what they say. I think this is a healthy enough thing when people deserve it: if I have a mechanic that I can trust completely, that saves a lot of work down the road when they tell me I need a new transmission and I don't know how to go about checking to see if it's true. But I think a lot of people filled this 'trust jar' for Trump on manipulated experience: Honest Liars: Dishonest Leaders May Be Perceived as Authentic.

 

[Jaguar]

I thought they were mostly bots?

Get educated.

 

[Firebird 8118]

 

[FemMecha]

I wasn't sure (although I doubted you were one of those ). I've had a lot of conversations with more moderate people that are extremely frustrating because they fancy themselves pragmatists but don't seem to have understanding of how and what people actually believe. "Oh, nobody would ever call Joe Biden a socialist." It's so odd that I have to consider it willful ignorance. I think they're not nearly as pragmatic as they think they are. They seem to be the ones filled with a lot of idealistic ideas about this country that have little bearing in reality.

I have no delusions that there are no delusions.

Everybody quackers these days

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Get educated.

 

[Jaguar]

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[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

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