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Trump vs. Biden

Red Memories

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And why not?

The US, like any country, has a specific history that shapes its views, its values and its political system. But it's not so completely unique that its political system cannot be described within terms that only exist within the US alone. Not everything means the same to everybody, but there is common ground, or we should stop using words altogether.

China is, most certainly, a republic, whether you like it or not or agree with it or not. A republic simply means that power is, in some way, distributed through election as opposed to heredetary. The point is how this election takes place. Certain groups can have a much larger say, e.g. based on wealth, race, sex or any other category you can think of. In a democracy, the idea is that all people should decide, regardless of restrictions What makes the US different from countries like China (and many other republics) is that it is a democratic republic.
It didn't always use to be like that, and I have the strong suspicion that some people would prefer it that way.
Whenever I hear people uttering phrases along the lines of "The US is not a democracy, it is a republic!", I have the strong suspicion that they are uncomfortable with the idea of equality, the principle of one person - one vote, and think that some groups of people should inherently wield more power because they are somehow superior. You know just like - in the good ol'd Roman res publica.

Yes...but is it really a republic if you say...poison your competition so there really is no competition? Is their republic really a republic or just called so for presentable purposes? Nothing in China applies anyone really has a chance of overthrowing the communist regime that is there.

Although I do see your point and also I am a strong critic of China based on human rights violations for decades from them, even before they were communist in nature. But aye.
 

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The dictionary definition of "republic" is "not a monarchy". A dictatorship can be a republic. You can be a republic without being a democracy (like China) and you can be democracy without being a republic (the UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, ...).


Also, a constitution is a set of rules. Rules can be changed. How are you a free or democratic country if you can't even change your constitution?
Stability is important, but stability is rooted in social coherence, not a piece of paper.

That's a fair point.

I believe here changing the constitution requires a...good deal of effort. I am not sure what sort of amendments to add and take from at this point. XD
 

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I saw this post that said Nevada was like that person who told you they'll be there in 15 mins an hour and half ago but they still haven't left the house. LMAO.
 

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I was laughing earlier at Nevada, since I was expecting Biden's lead of 8k to decrease... but apparently it was now up to 12k.
 

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Black men drifted from Democrats toward Trump in record numbers, polls show

Why did the minorities go Trump more this time??? First it was discussions of the Latinos and now its black men...

Because I listen to a Cuban heavy sports talk radio show every day, I have known about this for a long time. I saw a really good thread on Twitter explaining Cuban support. If I can find it again I will give you the link. I have never seen a reason to why the black male vote - only that there is a shift.

US-based Cubans are kind of their own thing. All the US Cuban expats are pretty devoutly anti-Big Government because of their experience with Fidel. My ex was Cuban and his family had been major Tea Party organizers following the '08 election.

Generally speaking, Latinos/Chicanos can identify as white, so it's not always appropriate to lump them in with general POC electorate.

Trump courted the black vote fairly explicitly, especially the black male vote. Him making headway within that demographic is not surprising.
 
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Less than 2 percent in Pennsylvania and less than .3 % in Georgia now. I'm not convinced about Georgia (since so much of the vote has already been counted), but I think he'll end up winning Pennsylvania.
 

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I want to re-iterate the false implications of that article making it sound like Trump got the Black vote. Of all the demographics Black women were the most against Trump, but followed by Black men. I would like to hear more perspectives directly from individuals within a given demographic, but I will share that anecdotally in my experience, there is a strong inclination for the Black vote that favors Trump to be more against the Neo-Liberal Democrat than actually embracing Trump. I think there is a way that all the options look racist, but overt racism is chosen over more subtle forms.

The shift towards Trump is slight.
Black men shift slightly toward Trump in record numbers, polls show
 

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I've been laughing all morning at this video someone made of a cat dancing over Paula White praying her little gas-filled heart out.

(eta) Here we go:
 

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US-based Cubans are kind of their own thing. All the US Cuban expats are pretty devoutly anti-Big Government because of their experience with Fidel. My ex was Cuban and his family had been major Tea Party organizers following the '08 election.

Generally speaking, Latinos/Chicanos can identify as white, so it's not always appropriate to lump them in with general POC electorate.

Agreed. I'm Cuban and was just about to write something similar about my family lol.

Less than 2 percent in Pennsylvania and less than .3 % in Georgia now. I'm not convinced about Georgia (since so much of the vote has already been counted), but I think he'll end up winning Pennsylvania.

I live in Pennsylvania and almost everyone I talk to here is pro-Trump (especially in the more rural areas). I'm pretty sure he'll win it too.
 

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There is a huge disparity between rural and urban PA. I grew up in rural PA and then lived for some time on the dividing line between urban and rural. I remember being shocked during election season when young that Dems would sometimes win the state because I sure as hell did not know any. I had no idea where all the votes came from,, but it was like a huge wave crashing through whenever Philly results were released..

There are a ton of people in the cities and the rural areas are not dense.

Edit: for kicks, I just looked at the townships i frequented in my childhood county to see the vote. Yeah, it was 75-90% Trump. These are all very rural religious types too.
 

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Based on the current state of tallies, I'd say Biden will get PA, NV, and very possibly GA although the last will be tight. Trump will likely get NC. AZ won't matter but still looks decent for Biden.

At this point, we know what locations the final ballots are coming from (Dem strongholds) and that they are mail, so again even more Dem leaning.
 
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I just want to be able to say the thing everyone else has already thought of already. You know, the TV catchphrase turned on itself.
 

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Trump's lead in PA is down to 90K and the Philadelphia County votes aren't in yet.
 

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Trump's lead in PA is down to 90K and the Philadelphia County votes aren't in yet.

Goofball's campaign just filed suit in federal court to stop the counting in Philly, arguing its observers were denied proper access. Hearing set for 5:30 PM.
 

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I gather this is the playbook for the election if you're a Repubbie:

John James, a Republican who ran against Senator Gary Peters of Michigan in a tight contest, is refusing to concede, citing vague and unsupported claims of cheating. Just throw as much shit as you can against the wall and see if anything sticks.
 
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