Trump vs. Biden

[Jaguar]

Obama out stumping for Biden, but the photographer deserves kudos for this great shot:

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

As sad as it is, to conservatives and the right, the only civil liberties they give a fuck about are their own. They should certainly worry about the next anti-establishment candidate actually being the left these loons think Democrats are. The Nazi's were left wing socialists and the Democrats are the party of slavery after all, right.

Space Force isn't anything but a Trump talking point and I don't like the Title IX removal of due process, that's unconstitutional. The rest that could have been good ideas aren't because the GOP doesn't govern. The right hasn't created anything or proposed a new idea for the country in years and years.

Trump isn't interesting in governing, he's interested in campaigning and donations. Maybe he can run for mayor of a small town and spend his days with the rural uneducated he claims to love.

At least Eastwood understood and never tried to go beyond being a mayor

 

[Vendrah]

Just a question here, since I don't understand much of your election system nor I really need to: When the american election for president ends? When Biden or Trump is going to win?

I know and that is just sloppy/simplistic English on my part. But since it isn't famous or known site I ended up calling it that way.

Keep calling it, it is funny and cute.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Just a question here, since I don't understand much of your election system nor I really need to: When the american election for president ends? When Biden or Trump is going to win

Actually that is a trillion dollar question to which no one really knows the answer. Since both the president and the pandemic have bent the standard rules.


But probably the most correct answer is somewhere in mid December. When electors will meet and vote on the basis of how the people voted.

 

[Vendrah]

Actually that is a trillion dollar question to which no one really knows the answer. Since both the president and the pandemic have bent the standard rules.


But probably the most correct answer is somewhere in mid December. When electors will meet and vote on the basis of how the people voted.

Only December? And what these previous that you keep postings are for? They gave me an impression that it was going to be in a week or two.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Only December? And what these previous that you keep postings are for? They gave me an impression that it was going to be in a week or two.

the citizens vote in early November. But votes for president technically only elect "electors" in each state, then those electors have to meet in December, to have their own election. However, congressional races (assuming uncontested) are decided directly by the citizens in November.

It's just a dumb safeguard that was put in place to prevent too much direct democracy.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Voting stops on November 3rd. The latest they're waiting for mail-in ballots (afaik) is November 6th (it varies state to state, but I think the latest is the 6th). It could be a close race (meaning: they end up counting every single ballot because there isn't a clear winner), and it's possible the fact that so many people opted for mail-in this year might make it take more time (not accustomed to it, might have hiccups). They don't want to give a precise date for fear that people will lose their Goddamn minds if a winner is not announced clearly. Also there's the chance Trump might lose and try to argue the election was rigged, so getting a higher court to tell him to leave might take some time. But voting stops on November 3rd.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Trump is banking on the supreme court needing to get involved. Which probably works in his favor even if Barrett is somehow not confirmed and sworn in by that time

 

[ceecee]

Awesome when these right wing shitheads attach their name and signature to documents.

Trailer park tenants say landlord's letter is voter intimidation | 9news.com

 

[Jonny]

Can you do mine too, please? My guess is the word I say the most is neoliberalism.
Can I request one for [MENTION=4347]Virtual ghost[/MENTION]?

You had also mentioned that some "pattern of behaviour on posts" tells a lot about a person, what would be mine "pattern of behaviour" on posts?

Shall I assume you're from Brazil?

FYI...Virtual Ghost had too many posts/text for the website, so I just used the most recent 500 or so:

 

[Jonny]

Well, he's being judged on his performance by people who don't suffer from TDS- and it's a pretty remarkable performance. He may very well go down as one of the most productive and effective presidents in history- but for everyone else he's being judged based on the badness of his orange, via the 4 year long smear campaign brought about by the big tech MSM and wall street establishment.

Thank God for Covid. Were it not for that miraculous intervention and all the potential to falsely stick blame for it on whoever they want the poor billionaires (and one trillionaire) might have had their stranglehold on power interrupted again for four more years.

I can't wait for the next anti-establishment candidate to come about. If someone as onerous and ill spoken as Donald Trump can win the presidency by mere virtue of cutting through the pretense and bullshit that the establishment left props up, then someone just as ruthless- but more intelligent and articulate- will absolutely crush it.

For someone who supposedly forgot what TDS means, you use it with remarkable frequency now. It's easy to characterize the criticisms of Trump as a result of TDS or the "badness of his orange", but in my opinion this simply betrays your inability to empathize with others. By that I mean that you don't seem to have a good grasp of how others think/feel.

We understand your point of view. You recognize that Trump is rough around the edges and a bit of a buffoon, but he is fighting for the things that you believe in. You view the "woke" movement, the push for extreme racial justice, the neoliberal/globalist establishment, as fundamental threats. To you, Trump has been very productive and successful. He's pulled us out of the Paris Climate Agreement & NAFTA. He has eased numerous regulations in all areas (environmental, financial, health, transportation,...the list goes on.) He appointed 3 supreme court justices. He has filled the courts with conservative judges. He cut taxes. He removed the individual mandate from Obamacare. I could go on.

But, I think it is an oversimplification to call him "one of the most productive and effective presidents in history." His accomplishments are notable because of how remarkably they deviate from past practices. Looking at his removal of regulations, for instance. Behind each of those regulations are thousands upon thousands of man-hours, expertise, thought, and effort. It takes a stroke of a pen to remove them. I'm not commenting on the rightness or wrongness of said regulations, only in the relative effort to institute them versus removing them. Judges and justices are simply a function of vacancy and the will of the Senate, both of which he has no control over.

Simply put, if we want to dig to the center of the earth and you want to get out of the hole, no amount of digging is going to seem productive to you. Only when someone puts down the shovel and starts to climb does it truly feel like progress. I understand.

To me, Trump represents a reversal of progress. I see him as an extreme risk taker, and an agent of chaos. I think with these strategies there is always an outside shot at extreme success, and certainly in the short term there can be the perception of rapid "progress", but it's a house of cards. I remember reading an article a few years ago about how Trump has effectively turned a bunch of one in a million risks into one in ten-thousand risks, etc. In other words, his actions are increasing the likelihood of a bunch of severe catastrophes. I think this is, in part, why COVID was such a debacle.

Now, this isn't to say there isn't any good to come from Trump's presidency. I think that unchecked progress can be troublesome, and at the very least Trump halted it and allowed everyone some time to soul-search/reflect upon the path that we were on. But, in this arena his election has served its purpose.

I also think that you discount the ramifications of his ruthlessness and wanton disregard for tradition. Our country is in a pretty dark place right now, and Trump is partly to blame for that through his reactions to the media and his detractors. The president must be the president to ALL Americans, and ideally would have a thick enough skin to withstand criticism, even when it borders on the extreme. The demeanor of the President isn't for his own supporters, but rather for those who do not support him. It's easy to cope with a shitty person when that person is fighting for your interests. It's very difficult when that person is a dick AND works against everything you love.

I also find it amusing that you credit Trump with "cutting through the pretense and bullshit" of the establishment left. Again, this betrays your lack of empathy. I don't act politely and support some of what BLM stands for, for instance, because I want to feel good about myself. I couldn't care less. I do it because I truly hurt on the inside when thinking about what other people have to go through. I certainly don't agree with many of the proposed solutions the folks on the left put forward to solve some of the racial inequality, but I recognize the dissatisfaction and the passion to solve the perceived problems. As for bullshit, again, this is rather comical. You have a guy who is essentially bullshit incarnate. His healthcare plan is coming in two weeks, he'll release his tax returns when the audit is complete, he doesn't know whether he was tested the day of the debate, he was working hard signing blank pages with sharpie while in the hospital, the gravity of COVID pushed by Dems in the early days was a Democratic Hoax to make him look bad, COVID is no worse than the flu, Hydroxychloroquine is a miracle drug, etc. etc. etc.

I'm genuinely saddened by reading your posts. Not because I disagree with you on particular issues of policy, but because I don't feel understood by you anymore. I actually remember you fondly, as one of the handful of conservatives on the forum with whom I could have reasonable discussions. That seems impossible now. It's like we live in two different realities. I think I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't feel that I'm seen by you, or other Trump supporters, at all.

I just want things to go back to the way they were.

 

[Vendrah]

Shall I assume you're from Brazil?

FYI...Virtual Ghost had too many posts/text for the website, so I just used the most recent 500 or so:

Thanks, I like these kinds of graphs! I'm surprised that neoliberalism didn't came in one of the first ones.
Yep, I am from Brazil (@Virtual Ghost is from Croatia, but when he refers to his country he uses 'in my country' instead of 'in Croatia').

It would be cool if you opened a thread posting these plus the ones you posted earlier and using the most common posters as well, although people who don't request might bring up problems.

 

[Jaguar]

Awesome when these right wing shitheads attach their name and signature to documents.

Trailer park tenants say landlord's letter is voter intimidation | 9news.com

Can I hang him from a tree by his ankles and watch him swing back and forth? Don't rule out a paintball gun being used.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Like I was saying: Jared Kushner floating launch of a new Trump-branded media outlet, GOP sources say.

 

[Virtual ghost]

2020 General Election Early Vote Statistics

They had to expand the bar since Texas pushed through the max that was 60% of the whole 2016. (it is now on 65.5% of 2016)
The same will very soon happen with the bar of individual votes, that goes to the max of 6 million per state.


But a number of key states are voting a lot early and already 47.8 million people voted (34% of the whole 2016) .

 

[anticlimatic]

what are specific accomplishments that come to mind? I can think of one or two

-I agreed with the Title IX reforms. I completely disagree with Biden's stance on Title IX. He needs to do his research and stop listening to appeals to emotion on this issue, if elected.
-I don't think Space Force is a terrible idea (though I have reservations about what Trump might intend versus what I'd like to see).

That's about it.

Well, as sad as it is that I'm filing this under "accomplishments," he's the first president I've been alive for that didn't get us involved in another war or otherwise horribly botch something over seas. On the rare occasion he has used military force, it's been swift and effective. There's just something about his mindset that has been surprisingly effective in the middle east- or maybe it's the way he delegates decisions to his leaders on the ground- but instead of another war or quagmire, we have an unprecedented middle east peace agreement with the incidental benefit of putting Iran in check, and China on guard. This was the kind of shit I expected out of Obama, and I'm somewhat flabbergasted that Trump is the one that made it happen. I mean wtf. Never saw it coming, honestly.

Speaking of Obama, I remember when he was elected he promised to share daily updates on what was going on with him- to keep americans in the loop and included in current events and decisions. Instead, he disappeared into a fog of establishment-speak and hidden agendas. Now we have Trump on twitter every day shooting himself in the face, but at the same time giving us that window into what's going on with him that Obama never did. He's an open book. And he pivots, quickly, depending on what his base wants. I remember he was getting some flack for governing based on "what foxnews tells him to," which is just another way of saying that he was governing based directly on what his voters wanted, in real time. Everything Obama promised he would be for liberals and failed at, Trump succeeded in for conservatives. I remember thinking of Obama "well, I guess the presidency just makes those things impossible for reasons I, a simple pleb, will never understand." Trump proved me wrong on that one. Obama could have done it easily, he just chose not to.

On his tax cuts and the economy, my business has been booming like never before in my life. I currently have more money saved in the bank than I earned in an entire year under Trump's predecessor. We have so much work on our plate that we have to turn people away- usually the jobs that would be particularly onerous- and the people that hire us pretty much cut us a blank check to deck them out. Everyone seems to be taking the opportunity to update their homes and businesses with renovations, and the employment all this private sector spending brings has greatly swelled our local economy. So much so, that it feels like the entire business section of town has been completely revitalized- and with cool shit. New ideas, brave fun and creative startups. We have a cheese shop now, a jazz cigar bar setup to look like 1930s dimly lit Miami, a bunch of micro-brew pubs and private distilleries, an "escape room" joint, and a bunch of others. I can't stress how important and beneficial a thriving economy is to every aspect of life. It should be priority one for all governing bodies.

Lastly, although we are supposed to say that it's his biggest failing, I really appreciate that he did not use Covid19 to execute a massive executive power grab like most of our Democratic governors did. He could have done it, and it would have been so easy- but he didn't. Any argument that Trump is a power hungry authoritarian is over, IMO. After four years with the guy, despite the embarrassing display of our main stream media completely napalming any notion that they were fair or non-partisan or not actively working to keep a particular political branch of government in power, I can honestly say my expectations were well exceeded.

 

[Jaguar]

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Like I was saying: Jared Kushner floating launch of a new Trump-branded media outlet, GOP sources say.

Did not read this but I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Trump proceeded with something like this after leaving office

 

[Jonny]

Unsurprisingly, I make 2-3x what I made back in 2012, and 100x what I made back in 2008. Being in my mid-thirties now that is unsurprising. I have the wherewithal to recognize that has precisely 0 to do with either Obama or Trump.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Unsurprisingly, I make 2-3x what I made back in 2012, and 100x what I made back in 2008. Being in my mid-thirties now that is unsurprising. I have the wherewithal to recognize that has precisely 0 to do with either Obama or Trump.

I like to think that at least some of my own decisions and effort in recent years have resulted in me being more well-off, rather than attributing it to a god-emperor of one stripe or another. You know, personal responsibility and all that.