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Trump vs. Biden

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Jonny's probably been the nicest person to you around here. Unlike myself I've never seen him become sarcastic. I guess this goes to show that it doesn't pay to change my approach.

The only way I could see someone considering him "nasty" is if they feel personally attacked by someone not sharing their opinions. Which sounds kind of like an extreme PC snowflake attitude.

You don't really have nastiness in you, friend. Which is not really a compliment. Saying a "nasty thing" does not make someone a "nasty person." It just means they have teeth. People are a complex mix of weaknesses and sympathetic traits.
 
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You don't really have nastiness in you, friend. Which is not really a compliment. Saying a "nasty thing" does not make someone a "nasty person." It just means they have teeth. People are a complex mix of weaknesses and sympathetic traits.

Whatever. I've still never seen any of those "nasty things" from him.
 

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Heavens to Betsy, what's a boy to do with all this unreciprocated obsession?

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This is something I think many seem to forget. Trump doesn't get to use the - "he's not a politician" excuse this time. He also doesn't have the excuse of being a neophyte. Everyone knows what he is and how he is. And I think his supporters don't grasp what that means.

Unlike 2016, Trump’s Being Graded as President, Not Candidate | The Cook Political Report

Run any kind of conservative human garbage you like in the future. Trump ruined this for the lot of you.
 

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This is something I think many seem to forget. Trump doesn't get to use the - "he's not a politician" excuse this time. He also doesn't have the excuse of being a neophyte. Everyone knows what he is and how he is. And I think his supporters don't grasp what that means.

Unlike 2016, Trump’s Being Graded as President, Not Candidate | The Cook Political Report

Run any kind of conservative human garbage you like in the future. Trump ruined this for the lot of you.

He's still talking about "draining the swamp". As far as I can tell the only swamp he's drained is the everglades. :mellow:
 

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This is something I think many seem to forget. Trump doesn't get to use the - "he's not a politician" excuse this time. He also doesn't have the excuse of being a neophyte. Everyone knows what he is and how he is. And I think his supporters don't grasp what that means. Unlike 2016, Trump's Being Graded as President, Not Candidate | The Cook Political Report Run any kind of conservative human garbage you like in the future. Trump ruined this for the lot of you.
Well, he's being judged on his performance by people who don't suffer from TDS- and it's a pretty remarkable performance. He may very well go down as one of the most productive and effective presidents in history- but for everyone else he's being judged based on the badness of his orange, via the 4 year long smear campaign brought about by the big tech MSM and wall street establishment.

Thank God for Covid. Were it not for that miraculous intervention and all the potential to falsely stick blame for it on whoever they want the poor billionaires (and one trillionaire) might have had their stranglehold on power interrupted again for four more years.

I can't wait for the next anti-establishment candidate to come about. If someone as onerous and ill spoken as Donald Trump can win the presidency by mere virtue of cutting through the pretense and bullshit that the establishment left props up, then someone just as ruthless- but more intelligent and articulate- will absolutely crush it.
 

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It is kinda funny when people think that the president who constantly brags about stock market records and reduction of corporate taxes has nothing to do with Wall street.
 

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Trump uses the same rhetoric and propaganda style as George W. Bush, however taken to a new extreme. His faux pas, and "Plain Folk" style are precisely the appeal. If someone sounded intelligent and reasoned, it would not appeal to the same crowd. He is not a lone outsider fighting against the system, but using an established propaganda tactic that is proven effective and appeals to his voting base. The next candidate that wishes to appeal to this base will need to learn this same approach. Stupid got him elected.

This is an interesting article analyzing Bush Jr. rhetoric and propaganda style. The main points I will include here:
(PDF) The Language of Propaganda in President Bush Jr. Political Speech

1. Name calling: words like "socialist", "terrorist", "thug", etc.

2. Glittering Generalities: "It is used to connect someone or group to beneficence images or enhances people's position in order to have a comparative statement between goodness and meanness". This is often combined with name calling, so exaggerate an "us vs. them", "for us or against us" mindset.

3. Transfer: "This technique is actually used by the speaker in making some motions that have a great sound; full of something well-respected to draw out enthusiasm from the audiences, even more, including some religious sounds." This can include prayers and "God blessing".

4. Testimonial: "This technique is to take someone who the audiences “know” even “like”, and attempt to transfer the famous peoples‟ opinion to the audiences. In other words, the user of this technique is to transfer a favorable image of an individual person to the aims of the speaker."

5. Plain Folk: "One strategy in propaganda is an attempt to convince the audience that a famous person and his ideas are one of the participants. It is almost similar to the previous technique, but it is more specified. It is not only talking about the individual job but also the ideological foundation of the speaker itself. It seems like exploiting the speaker‟s position and making a special appeal that the speaker is one of the audiences."

6. Bandwagon: "The making of an appeal that “you are not alone” or “everyone else is doing it, so should you"."

7. Fear: speaks for itself.
 

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Well, he's being judged on his performance by people who don't suffer from TDS- and it's a pretty remarkable performance. He may very well go down as one of the most productive and effective presidents in history- but for everyone else he's being judged based on the badness of his orange, via the 4 year long smear campaign brought about by the big tech MSM and wall street establishment.

Thank God for Covid. Were it not for that miraculous intervention and all the potential to falsely stick blame for it on whoever they want the poor billionaires (and one trillionaire) might have had their stranglehold on power interrupted again for four more years.

I can't wait for the next anti-establishment candidate to come about. If someone as onerous and ill spoken as Donald Trump can win the presidency by mere virtue of cutting through the pretense and bullshit that the establishment left props up, then someone just as ruthless- but more intelligent and articulate- will absolutely crush it.

what are specific accomplishments that come to mind? I can think of one or two

-I agreed with the Title IX reforms. I completely disagree with Biden's stance on Title IX. He needs to do his research and stop listening to appeals to emotion on this issue, if elected.
-I don't think Space Force is a terrible idea (though I have reservations about what Trump might intend versus what I'd like to see).

That's about it.
 

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what are specific accomplishments that come to mind? I can think of one or two

-I agreed with the Title IX reforms. I completely disagree with Biden's stance on Title IX. He needs to do his research and stop listening to appeals to emotion on this issue, if elected.
-I don't think Space Force is a terrible idea (though I have reservations about what Trump might intend versus what I'd like to see).

That's about it.

As sad as it is, to conservatives and the right, the only civil liberties they give a fuck about are their own. They should certainly worry about the next anti-establishment candidate actually being the left these loons think Democrats are. The Nazi's were left wing socialists and the Democrats are the party of slavery after all, right.

Space Force isn't anything but a Trump talking point and I don't like the Title IX removal of due process, that's unconstitutional. The rest that could have been good ideas aren't because the GOP doesn't govern. The right hasn't created anything or proposed a new idea for the country in years and years.

Trump isn't interesting in governing, he's interested in campaigning and donations. Maybe he can run for mayor of a small town and spend his days with the rural uneducated he claims to love.
 

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Here a lot of talking points focused around 538, so for a change I will post data from 270 to win. Which is in percentages and is generally a little bit more "red". I simply want to see/present another perspective. Especially since I think that 538 perhaps got carried away with: Trump has only 12% chance to win. His chances aren't that great but I think they are above 12%.



Alaska: Trump +5.8
Arizona: Biden +2.7
Colorado: Biden +12
Florida: Biden +4.2
Georgia: Biden +1.6
Iowa: Tie
Maine 2nd: Trump +0.3
Michigan: Biden +6.4
Minnesota: Biden +7.4
Missouri: Trump +7
Montana: Trump +8.7
Nebraska 2nd: Biden +7
Nevada: Biden +5.6
New Hampshire: Biden +9.8
New Mexico: Biden +14
North Carolina: Biden +2
Ohio: Trump +0.8
Pennsylvania: Biden +7.8
South Carolina: Trump +6.3
Texas: Trump +2.2
Virginia: Biden +11
Wisconsin: Biden +6.2



This still favors Biden but this is more manageable for Trump. If he can narrow all of this for 2 to 3 points in the next 10 day's he has a shot.
 

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And here's mine:

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Can you do mine too, please? My guess is the word I say the most is neoliberalism.
Can I request one for [MENTION=4347]Virtual ghost[/MENTION]?

You had also mentioned that some "pattern of behaviour on posts" tells a lot about a person, what would be mine "pattern of behaviour" on posts?
 
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