Trump vs. Biden

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Talk about tunnel vision. . .

Hey man, it's your show now. Don't mind me.

 

[Jaguar]

Hey man, it's your show now. Don't mind me.

It's not my show. It's not your show. That's the point.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

It's not my show. It's not your show. That's the point.

uh, ok

good luck with that unity

 

[Jaguar]

uh, ok

good luck with that unity

You're part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You're part of the problem, not the solution.

Hey, I didn't send the message in 2004 that lying to enrich your personal business at the cost to American lives is ok.

 

[Jaguar]

Hey, I didn't send the message in 2004 that lying to enrich your personal business at the cost to American lives is ok.

Kind of hard to "lie" about anything at all when clicking a buy or sell button in a control panel.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Kind of hard to "lie" about anything at all when clicking a buy or sell button in a control panel.

Ok dude, halliburton didn't exist and if it did, Dick Cheney had nothing to do with it.

 

[Jaguar]

Ok dude, halliburton didn't exist and if it did, Dick Cheney had nothing to do with it.

Time travel backwards and stay there. I'll focus on the future. I have no interest in anything having to do with Dickhead Cheney or Halliburton.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Time travel backwards and stay there. I'll focus on the future. I have no interest in anything having to do with Dickhead Cheney or Halliburton.

Hey, I'm just saying that this is your mess way more than it's mine. Do what you want. I didn't vote to give those guys a mandate back then, unlike you.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Think more carefully next time before you accuse me of being part of the problem, lol.

I've never voted GOP in my life, and I've voted every two years since I've been able to vote.

 

[Jaguar]

Hey, I'm just saying that this is your mess way more than it's mine. Do what you want. I didn't vote to give those guys a mandate back then, unlike you.

I didn't vote for Bush in 2000. As a matter of fact, I didn't vote at all. The vote to go to Iraq was in 2002. Did you vote for Hillary Clinton? I did not. She was one of the people who gave Bush that blank check. I was against going to Iraq. We had no business being there.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I didn't vote for Bush in 2000. As a matter of fact, I didn't vote at all. The vote to go to Iraq was in 2002. Did you vote for Hillary Clinton? I did not. She was one of the people who gave Bush that blank check. I was against going to Iraq. We had no business being there.

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You didn't vote then? And then you voted for him in 2004 (as you have admitted previously in either this or a similar thread) ? How does that absolve you?

As for Clinton, I very reluctantly voted for Clinton just like I'm very reluctantly voting for Biden.

And I'm supposed to go out and volunteer for him, and it'll be my fault if he doesn't win. Lovely.

I wanted to go with the guy that didn't vote for it (or the Patriot act, and wasn't part of an administration that was against whistleblowing about spying on Americans), and I would have volunteered for that guy. Maybe folks should have considered that when picking Biden? Whatever.

Naturally, the fact that I'm forced to vote for him and Clinton is something that can apparently turned against me as proof of my hypocrisy. That's positively grand.

I agree things are dire. but guess what? They were dire in 2004, and then after the election people acted like none of it was a big deal, and I was supposed to act like none of it was a big deal. I'm sure you would have told me it was not a big deal if you had known me then. We're still dealing with the consequences of that time and the choices that were made. Don't tell me it isn't relevant or that it's immaterial.

I get that I'm supposed to be selfish because I'm not crawling in a fetal position, but where the fuck were all you guys YEARS ago? Why the fuck did it take you until 2016 to flip out about any of this? Why did everyone just spout off a bunch of bullshit about how "this is still a great country because we have the power to change things"? Don't gaslight me and then expect my sympathy when your world crumbles.

I'm sorry, but I've written off the U.S. as a whole, if not individual pieces of it. Yes, I know you find my lack of faith disturbing.

 

[Jaguar]

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You didn't vote then? And then you voted for him in 2004 (as you have admitted previously in either this or a similar thread) ? How does that absolve you?

Can you really not read what I typed? Really? You know what your problem is? You make wild accusations that don't pan out and then when you have egg all over your face, you try to divert. DONALD IS THAT YOU?

I told you I voted for GW in 2004 as a "grudge fuck vote", to clean up the mess he made. And a grand mess it was, that's for sure.

As for Clinton, I very reluctantly voted for Clinton just like I'm very reluctantly voting for Biden.

Then don't be throwing stink bombs at me. lol.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Can you really not read what I typed? Really? You know what your problem is? You make wild accusations that don't pan out and then when you have egg all over your face, you try to divert. DONALD IS THAT YOU?

I told you I voted for GW in 2004 as a "grudge fuck vote", to clean up the mess he made. And a grand mess it was, that's for sure.

It doesn't matter why you voted for him. You still voted for him, which allowed him to claim a "mandate."

Then don't be throwing stink bombs at me. lol.

To me it seems like you're accusing me of not being socially responsible, which is rich coming from a former GOP voter (and I feel the same way about any other former GOP voters that may be out there... you don't get to be late to the party and lecture me about how I should be more concerned).

 

[Virtual ghost]

Yes, but we have to be realistic here. With Biden vs. Trump match there is a huge vacuum on what is the most left 30% of the spectrum. Objectively speaking most of these people are no one's voters at this point and very good chunk of them will stay home as it stands for now. While it is both shame and the waste that Biden doesn't really recognize those people and some of their desires. Especially since he is closer to most of those people than Trump. The most far left part of the American political spectrum will probably stay home no matter what happens but out of that 30% you can attract 10-15% without any ultra radical changes to your platform. Why go into trench warfare over every single mild republican when you can easily grab large chunk of the people with minimal effort. At this point what most of these people really want is nothing but attention and basic respect, since they really don't have big expectations in all this. What if given will probably attract a number of none voters as well (maybe even some Trump supporter will buy the good manners card). Not to mention that with ignoring this huge pool of people you are risking that once again Trump starts to spam some populist left messages and takes a chunk of what shouldn't be his by common sense. After all a very good chunk of his base seems to be working class people. Therefore now is simply the time for attracting people, not further divisions. If you start to build on the basis of attracting rather than divisions Trump is falling for sure. Since in that case he literally has no legit talking points left.



While otherwise it is ...

X: Where are you going to go ?
Y: Nowhere, I am staying boxed in at home during the pandemic.

I mean this is probably the main tragedy of entire American culture, the idea that someone has to lose in order that someone can win. Instead that you just make more room for everybody.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Yes, but we have to be realistic here. With Biden vs. Trump match there is a huge vacuum on what is the most left 30% of the spectrum. Objectively speaking most of these people are no one's voters at this point and very good chunk of them will stay home as it stands for now. While it is both shame and the waste that Biden doesn't really recognize those people and some of their desires. Especially since he is closer to most of those people than Trump. The most far left part of the American political spectrum will probably stay home no matter what happens but out of that 30% you can attract 10-15% without any ultra radical changes to your platform. Why go into trench warfare over every single mild republican when you can easily grab large chunk of the people with minimal effort. At this point what most of these people really want is nothing but attention and basic respect, since they really don't have big expectations in all this. What if given will probably attract a number of none voters as well (maybe even some Trump supporter will buy the good manners card). Not to mention that with ignoring this huge pool of people you are risking that once again Trump starts to spam some populist left messages and takes a chunk of what shouldn't be his by common sense. After all a very good chunk of his base seems to be working class people. Therefore now is simply the time for attracting people, not further divisions. If you start to build on the basis of attracting rather than divisions Trump is falling for sure. Since in that case he literally has no legit talking points left.

I dunno bro, maybe my uncle who still supports Trump even though his daughter has Lupus and had trouble getting hydroxychloroquine because of Trump can be convinced to vote for Biden because he didn't support Medicare-for-all.

 

[Jaguar]

It doesn't matter why you voted for him. You still voted for him, which allowed him to claim a "mandate."

The Bush Mandate - The Atlantic

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

The Bush Mandate - The Atlantic

Ah, but there's also this:

Defining Bush’s ‘Mandate’ — FAIR


Like they cared about why you voted for him, lol.

 

[Jaguar]

Ah, but there's also this:

Defining Bush’s ‘Mandate’ — FAIR


Like they cared about why you voted for him, lol.

I didn't vote for GW in 2000. What you're going on about makes no sense. You voted for someone who gave GW a blank check authorization to go to war. Shame on you.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I didn't vote for GW in 2000. What you're going on about makes no sense. You voted for someone who gave GW a blank check authorization to go to war. Shame on you.

Well, hey, I could always not do that this time. I could write in someone. Perhaps Turd Ferguson would fit the bill.