Yara the Corpse
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She said she was going to destroy stereotypes and then went into the "whiny INFP" stereotype. Way to go, pal. I may have more to say later.
BTW, what's with the thread title?
I just see monster boobs
~ source: INFJ ArchetypesSixth position Witch/Senex: introverted Feeling for the INFJ
What does this mean? This is the bad mother/father that criticizes, condemns, immobilizes, or demoralizes. It finds fault with everyone, making everyone seem like fakes or untrustworthy. It can be the basis of self-attacks commonly experienced in depression. This archetype is anti-life, since it cripples soul and spirit. The appearance of this function forces one to be creative, to outwit some challenge by finding a way around it.
What about you? Do you react negatively to introverted Feeling? I know I struggle with it. This is a function that causes me a lot of problems (not least the fact that it's my husband's Tertiary). While I desperately need it to sort out my values and to provide an internal compass, I also consider introverted Feeling "selfish," irrational, and unreasonable at times, better dismissed and ignored.
From what I understand Vicky Jo rejects and dismisses Fi by placing negative value judgements on her negative descriptions of it, but the lady in the video embraces and identifies with the traits she describes as Fi. It sounds like dismissal to people who don't like gossiping and lacking compassion, but she is actually praising those qualities as a source of strength. She identifies as an INFP because of the qualities she describes.She's an Ni user, that much is certain. (Perhaps Fe - Ni with the speed of output?)
Interesting video. I like it in that she doesn't hold back, always good to know what you're dealing with in an out-loud way.
However, this is unrecognized senex projection, essentially. Even Vicky Jo, a classic pot-stirrer when it comes to the dismissal of Fi, sees this more clearly:
~ source: INFJ Archetypes
Although she is identifying as INFP, so she isn't trying to berate the type at all. She gives off the vibe of a person who has been in many high-conflict relationships. She has a tremendous amount of anger, and it is interesting she talks so much about passive-aggression, because I suspect what she identifies as passive-aggression I would see as overt, extroverted aggression. It may be that she has been hurt by someone who was good at passive-aggression, and so she identifies having that trait as a source of self-protection and strength. It does feel like she has encountered conflicts that she couldn't resolve and that is why there is pride in taking it out on people's reputations. Often when a person cannot solve a problem at the personal level, they take it to the social level, or vice versa. By taking an un-resolvable issue to a different level of 'self' we can hope to gain control of it there, but that is often the source of dysfunction. For example, people who cannot control aspects of their personal life tend to try to control other people, etc. Extroverts have greater tendency to take personal level issues to the social level just like introverts tend to take social issues to the personal level because that is where each are more adept at solving problems.Something tells me that her video comes from a place of personal pain. Perhaps an INFP ex-lover is lurking in the shadows?
Although she is identifying as INFP, so she isn't trying to berate the type at all. She gives off the vibe of a person who has been in many high-conflict relationships. She has a tremendous amount of anger, and it is interesting she talks so much about passive-aggression, because I suspect what she identifies as passive-aggression I would see as overt, extroverted aggression. It may be that she has been hurt by someone who was good at passive-aggression, and so she identifies having that trait as a source of self-protection and strength. It does feel like she has encountered conflicts that she couldn't resolve and that is why there is pride in taking it out on people's reputations. Often when a person cannot solve a problem at the personal level, they take it to the social level, or vice versa. By taking an un-resolvable issue to a different level of 'self' we can hope to gain control of it there, but that is often the source of dysfunction. For example, people who cannot control aspects of their personal life tend to try to control other people, etc. Extroverts have greater tendency to take personal level issues to the social level just like introverts tend to take social issues to the personal level because that is where each are more adept at solving problems.
From what I understand Vicky Jo rejects and dismisses Fi by placing negative value judgements on her negative descriptions of it, but the lady in the video embraces and identifies with the traits she describes as Fi. It sounds like dismissal to people who don't like gossiping and lacking compassion, but she is actually praising those qualities as a source of strength. She identifies as an INFP because of the qualities she describes.
You're right that is definitely dismissal, but overall it's a complex issue because she identifies as an INFP. So is she saying she wants to swap herself like a fly? I guess there is some self-rejection going on with her, and other complex issues.I'm pretty sure that someone who describes swatting INFPs like flies isn't exactly in love with Fi.
Her vibe reminds me of my boyfriend's father who is also ESTJ. He uses a bizarre form of "passive aggression" where he will tell dominating "jokes". For example, I once thanked him and his wife for taking us out to dinner, and he pointed at me and said, "Now get on your knees and say it". I was especially turned off by the video because of the similarity in the social feeling it conveys. To balance my comments, I will add that I think a healthy ESTJ is like Michael Bluth from "Arrested Development" who is the rock and center of all the craziness. A healthy ESTJ can be the one truly sane, practical, clear person among the lunatics.She doesn't strike me as an INFP, though I can see that she may share some functions with them. She reminds me of my mother in law, who I suspect is an ESTJ. It's funny how some of them work internally--I'm talking about the unhealthy ones here--that they can aggressively attack you with their Te but can also be very much 'butthurt' in return through their Fi lenses and the woman in the video just sounds like she's projecting that and slag off the INFPs as a self-deflection mechanism. When I first met my MIL, she was quite the nightmare. Always doing her best to appear contained and logical and competent, and yet literally has to flee whenever I or someone else may have accidentally stepped on her emotions or on something personal that she thinks about in private. She used to act like I'm attacking her just by merely existing and loving her son.
She still does it, the fleeing part, but we've gotten along better.
You're right that is definitely dismissal, but overall it's a complex issue because she identifies as an INFP. So is she saying she wants to swap herself like a fly? I guess there is some self-rejection going on with her, and other complex issues.
You're right that is definitely dismissal, but overall it's a complex issue because she identifies as an INFP. So is she saying she wants to swap herself like a fly? I guess there is some self-rejection going on with her, and other complex issues.
Her vibe reminds me of my boyfriend's father who is also ESTJ. He uses a bizarre form of "passive aggression" where he will tell dominating "jokes". For example, I once thanked him and his wife for taking us out to dinner, and he pointed at me and said, "Now get on your knees and say it". I was especially turned off by the video because of the similarity in the social feeling it conveys. To balance my comments, I will add that I think a healthy ESTJ is like Michael Bluth from "Arrested Development" who is the rock and center of all the craziness. A healthy ESTJ can be the one truly sane, practical, clear person among the lunatics.
There is some reason she identifies as INFP, which is an important element in making sense of this since she knows herself better than anyone. She appears to be in an unhealthy state, and people in unhealthy states can revert to their shadow function in a dysfunctional way. If in addition to this she reminds multiple people of unhealthy ESTJs, so my impression is to type her as that.
Her vibe reminds me of my boyfriend's father who is also ESTJ. He uses a bizarre form of "passive aggression" where he will tell dominating "jokes". For example, I once thanked him and his wife for taking us out to dinner, and he pointed at me and said, "Now get on your knees and say it".