The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

[Lexicon]

You still got it amigo.

I don’t see how this isn’t extreme. He’s a minor who has no business possessing or operating a firearm. He crossed state lines to live out his ‘militia’ fantasy, & was in the front row of a Trump rally in January. How could his political leanings not play a role in the choices he made? There is no reason that kid should have had access to a semiautomatic rifle or a gun of any kind. He illegally gained access to a firearm because he felt that strongly about what’s going on. He supposedly supports law enforcement, yet broke the law himself, several times. I imagine he justifies it with his personal views, including political ones.

Pity that kid wasn’t a Fashion Police enthusiast instead. Everyone knows guns and crocs make for a terrible ensemble.

 

[anticlimatic]

I don't see how this isn't extreme. He's a minor who has no business possessing or operating a firearm. He crossed state lines to live out his 'militia' fantasy, & was in the front row of a Trump rally in January. How could his political leanings not play a role in the choices he made? There is no reason that kid should have had access to a semiautomatic rifle or a gun of any kind. He illegally gained access to a firearm because he felt that strongly about what's going on. He supposedly supports law enforcement, yet broke the law himself, several times. I imagine he justifies it with his personal views, including political ones.

Pity that kid wasn't a Fashion Police enthusiast instead. Everyone knows guns and crocs make for a terrible ensemble.

I just think it's hilarious to not care at all about riots and looting and violence unless there's some way to shoe horn blame onto "the right."

 

[Jonny]

I don’t see how this isn’t extreme. He’s a minor who has no business possessing or operating a firearm. He crossed state lines to live out his ‘militia’ fantasy, & was in the front row of a Trump rally in January. How could his political leanings not play a role in the choices he made? There is no reason that kid should have had access to a semiautomatic rifle or a gun of any kind. He illegally gained access to a firearm because he felt that strongly about what’s going on. He supposedly supports law enforcement, yet broke the law himself, several times. I imagine he justifies it with his personal views, including political ones.

Pity that kid wasn’t a Fashion Police enthusiast instead. Everyone knows guns and crocs make for a terrible ensemble.

You're talking to a guy who said "The guy was convicted of third degree sexual assault and domestic violence, with a history of assaulting police and using firearms. I feel bad for the cops that had to [shoot him 7 times in the back]" about Jacob Blake. If I were to hazard a guess, you're barking up the wrong tree. He doesn't care.

 

[Lexicon]

I just think it's hilarious to not care at all about riots and looting unless there's some way to shoe horn blame onto "the right."

I don’t think any reasonable person would find peaceful protests breaking down into riots (w/looting, arson, violence, etc) acceptable, regardless of political views. I don’t see how acknowledging this kid’s belief system [as a likely motivator for his behavior] is shoe-horning blame on anyone, though.

It’s really not a tight fit in this case.

 

[anticlimatic]

I don't think any reasonable person would find peaceful protests breaking down into riots (w/looting, arson, violence, etc) acceptable, regardless of political views. I don't see how acknowledging this kid's belief system [as a likely motivator for his behavior] is shoe-horning blame on anyone, though. It's really not a tight fit in this case.

Other than "selective bias" it isn't, though selective bias is what I'm referring to. I agree that most reasonable people find peaceful protests breaking down into riots unacceptable, and I do think most people are reasonable.

 

[ceecee]

I don’t see how this isn’t extreme. He’s a minor who has no business possessing or operating a firearm. He crossed state lines to live out his ‘militia’ fantasy, & was in the front row of a Trump rally in January. How could his political leanings not play a role in the choices he made? There is no reason that kid should have had access to a semiautomatic rifle or a gun of any kind. He illegally gained access to a firearm because he felt that strongly about what’s going on. He supposedly supports law enforcement, yet broke the law himself, several times. I imagine he justifies it with his personal views, including political ones.

Pity that kid wasn’t a Fashion Police enthusiast instead. Everyone knows guns and crocs make for a terrible ensemble.

The Law and Order fetishists can easily justify that. Those crocks, however, should be a felony.

 

[Jaguar]

You're talking to a liar who said "The guy was convicted of third degree sexual assault and domestic violence, with a history of assaulting police and using firearms.

Fixed.

 

[Lexicon]

The Law and Order fetishists can easily justify that.

FOX News is already on it.
Tucker Carlson: "How shocked are we that 17 year olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?"

Those crocks, however, should be a felony.

BUT THEY REPRESENT FREEDOM

 

[Jaguar]

Amazing shit:

Kenosha Shooting: Video Shows Suspected Gunman Kyle Rittenhouse Being Allowed To Leave Scene – CBS Chicago

The large presence of armed men Tuesday night in Kenosha has been linked to a local militia group known as the Kenosha Guard, which created a Facebook event called “Armed Citizens to Protect our Lives and Property.” The invitation was re-posted by the far-right website Infowars.

The Kenosha Guard's Facebook page, which was taken down late Wednesday morning, called it a social club. But a post signed “Kenosha Guard Commander,” written to Kenosha Police Chief Miskinis Tuesday, said this:

“As you know I am the commander of the Kenosha Guard, a local militia. We are mobilizing tonight and have about 3,000 RSVP’s. Our effort has made the national media. I ask that you do NOT have your officers tell us to go home under threat of arrest as you have in the past. We are willing to talk to KPD and open a discussion. It is evident that no matter how many Officers, deputies and other law enforcement officers that are here, you will still be outnumbered.”

Kyle Rittenhouse, charged in Kenosha protest shootings, was in a militia

 

[Lexicon]

Amazing shit:

Kenosha Shooting: Video Shows Suspected Gunman Kyle Rittenhouse Being Allowed To Leave Scene – CBS Chicago

The large presence of armed men Tuesday night in Kenosha has been linked to a local militia group known as the Kenosha Guard, which created a Facebook event called “Armed Citizens to Protect our Lives and Property.” The invitation was re-posted by the far-right website Infowars.

The Kenosha Guard's Facebook page, which was taken down late Wednesday morning, called it a social club. But a post signed “Kenosha Guard Commander,” written to Kenosha Police Chief Miskinis Tuesday, said this:

“As you know I am the commander of the Kenosha Guard, a local militia. We are mobilizing tonight and have about 3,000 RSVP’s. Our effort has made the national media. I ask that you do NOT have your officers tell us to go home under threat of arrest as you have in the past. We are willing to talk to KPD and open a discussion. It is evident that no matter how many Officers, deputies and other law enforcement officers that are here, you will still be outnumbered.”

Kyle Rittenhouse, charged in Kenosha protest shootings, was in a militia

From that article:

Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth said he had been asked to cooperate with the Kenosha militia members but declined.

"Yesterday I had a person call me and say, 'Why don’t you deputize citizens who have guns to come out and patrol the City of Kenosha?' And I’m like, ‘Oh Hell, no.’ What happened last night is the perfect reason why I wouldn’t," Beth said. "The incident that happened last night where two people lost their lives were part of this group that wanted me to deputize them."

That last bit is not surprising at all.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

He supposedly supports law enforcement, yet broke the law himself, several times. I imagine he justifies it with his personal views, including political ones.

Trump supposedly supports law enforcement, yet consistently treats himself and those who are "loyal" to him as exceptions. It's no wonder that sense of entitlement has trickled down to the lowest level of his loyal drones.

 

[Jonny]

The Kenosha Guard's Facebook page, which was taken down late Wednesday morning, called it a social club. But a post signed “Kenosha Guard Commander,” written to Kenosha Police Chief Miskinis Tuesday, said this:

“As you know I am the commander of the Kenosha Guard, a local militia. We are mobilizing tonight and have about 3,000 RSVP’s. Our effort has made the national media. I ask that you do NOT have your officers tell us to go home under threat of arrest as you have in the past. We are willing to talk to KPD and open a discussion. It is evident that no matter how many Officers, deputies and other law enforcement officers that are here, you will still be outnumbered.”

Really? I don’t see how that last sentence could be interpreted as anything other than a threat of force against the police.

Why can’t we just have an honest discussion about police reform? They’d rather just form militias and mow down the protestors and rioters than understand the underlying causes and work to find solutions...I just don’t get it.

 

[Jaguar]

Why can we just have an honest discussion about police reform? You’d rather just form militias and mow down the protestors and rioters than understand the underlying causes and work to find solutions...I just don’t get it.

The current environment in which we find ourselves is not conducive to a discussion at that level of maturity.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

FOX News is already on it.
Tucker Carlson: "How shocked are we that 17 year olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?"

I wish I hadn't seen this. Tucker Carlson is such an absolute piece of shit.

 

[Jaguar]

Tucker Carlson: "How shocked are we that 17 year olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?"

I can only imagine what excuse he'd come up with for Timothy McVeigh blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

 

[ceecee]

I can only imagine what excuse he'd come up with for Timothy McVeigh blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

This is still circulating around...

Saddam Possibly Tied to Oklahoma City | Fox News

 

[Z Buck McFate]

I wish I hadn't seen this. Tucker Carlson is such an absolute piece of shit.

To better articulate why I think this is so disgusting: it makes this guy a hero and encourages more kids to become domestic terrorists and step up with automatic rifles to help "maintain order". It's possible (and ideal) to empathize with motivations whilst being explicit about the action being wrong, that vigilantes are NOT wanted and how there will be consequences.

Can you imagine the good it would do this country if this asshole/FOX directed an iota of this empathy/compassion at the rioters (i.e. acknowledged there's a valid reason behind it instead of focusing exclusively on the damage they're causing)?

 

[anticlimatic]

Most say ‘protests’ have become ‘riots,’ new high in support for police

A new survey found that opposition to defunding the police, part of the Black Lives Matter movement, has jumped to 79%, with just 16% supporting the defund plan.

The poll found that by a 49% to 42% margin, the battleground states believe that the protests “have stopped being about racial injustice and have become violent riots by people who hate America and want to tear down our government and radically change American culture.”

Well that's not good. Biden better get his pandering ass in gear and--

Biden: 'Burning down communities is not protest' | TheHill

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden on Wednesday pushed for calm amid an outbreak of violent protests in Kenosha, Wis., over the police shooting of a Black man, saying that destroying property and burning down neighborhoods will not achieve racial justice.

About fucking time. Portland has been burning for months now. I'm not sure why anyone thought that looking the other way on this was going to be good for them politically. Hopefully its not too late for Biden. It's hard to be the "return to normalcy" candidate when you're justifying riots in the streets. Thanks to all of this, Trump is the one that looks like the stable voice of order and reason to anyone center/center-right.

 

[Jaguar]

It's not justifying riots, it's supporting protests. There's a difference.

Joe Biden issues late-night statement as American cities engulfed by violence - Axios

What is "about fucking time" is you catching up to Joe's positions. He's not late. You are.

 

[Coriolis]

I don’t think any reasonable person would find peaceful protests breaking down into riots (w/looting, arson, violence, etc) acceptable, regardless of political views. I don’t see how acknowledging this kid’s belief system [as a likely motivator for his behavior] is shoe-horning blame on anyone, though.

It’s really not a tight fit in this case.

What better way to discredit peaceful protests than to infiltrate them with people who will act out violently?