Lauren Ashley
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lol getting upset at having your individuality insulted, how stereotypically NF
See post #6
lol getting upset at having your individuality insulted, how stereotypically NF
I'm an ENFP and I like to raise hell for the hell of hell-raising. I'm totally not nice.
See post #6
lol getting upset at having your individuality insulted, how stereotypically NF
Why does everyone stereotype NFs as being peaceful, nature loving, happy, cuddly little souls?
Stop stereotyping NFs, everybody! It's about individual and less about 'oh, he's this type so he must be like this, or he must have a job in this'. No, that's all wrong and you're assuming so much it just makes you look arrogant.
But please, can we try not to stereotype other types often as we do, and relax and realize it's more about the individual and that we're all insane?
-OWS
I think it's a little silly that you're so offended by this. People only stereotype like that as a joke. The whole system is a bit of a joke, honestly... no one really expects it to apply perfectly to individuals. We're usually discussing archetypes, not people. The whole point of type is to choose which caricature you're more comfortable being associated with, not to accurately convey individual traits. That comes through in other ways.
For instance, if someone says, "INFJs are martyrs," that doesn't automatically translate to "Athenian200 is a martyr," in my mind. You can say something about an archetype without discussing individuals that happen to identify themselves with a particular type.
It shouldn't be necessary to qualify every quip about NTs lacking emotional awareness with a disclaimer that some NTs have a capacity for sensitivity and compassion, in other words. But with all these people getting mad about every little stereotype and taking it personally, I guess I'll have to put disclaimers on EVERYTHING. *sigh*
yeah, I think that stereotype about NFs is started by NTs who just mostly despise F, so we are like weaker version of them. At least it looks to me like that.
I think it's a little silly that you're so offended by this. People only stereotype like that as a joke. The whole system is a bit of a joke, honestly... no one really expects it to apply perfectly to individuals. We're usually discussing archetypes, not people. The whole point of type is to choose which caricature you're more comfortable being associated with, not to accurately convey individual traits. That comes through in other ways.
For instance, if someone says, "INFJs are martyrs," that doesn't automatically translate to "Athenian200 is a martyr," in my mind. You can say something about an archetype without discussing individuals that happen to identify themselves with a particular type.
It shouldn't be necessary to qualify every quip about NTs lacking emotional awareness with a disclaimer that some NTs have a capacity for sensitivity and compassion, in other words. But with all these people getting mad about every little stereotype and taking it personally, I guess I'll have to put disclaimers on EVERYTHING. *sigh*
I came here to discuss how NTs are heartless pricks, SJs are boring as fuck, which types likes to take it up the ass the most - in other words, serious intelligent dicussions regarding personality types. I did NOT come here to be insulted!
Why does everyone stereotype NFs as being peaceful, nature loving, happy, cuddly little souls?
MBTI is a matter of preference and is so general, that it was probably never meant to be used so drastically and specifically as we use it here. We assume so much, and remember so little about what MBTI really is. It's not WHAT you do..but HOW and WHY you do it. You can have an NF in the army..you can have an SP Politician..you can have an NT Garbage man..or an SJ rock star. NFs do what they of love and inspiration...whether it be leading peace rallies, saving the rainforest, killing enemies in battle, or in the confines of a cubicle in a large corporation.
Stop stereotyping NFs, everybody! It's about individual and less about 'oh, he's this type so he must be like this, or he must have a job in this'. No, that's all wrong and you're assuming so much it just makes you look arrogant.
I have to say..this forum, being here, and interacting has kind of ruined my outlook and intelligence of Myers Briggs. It's sort of taking it too far, in general..this isn't really what personality types should have ended up like. But that doesn't matter, we're here and we do learn a lot of other things. But please, can we try not to stereotype other types often as we do, and relax and realize it's more about the individual and that we're all insane?
-OWS
Why does everyone stereotype NFs as being peaceful, nature loving, happy, cuddly little souls?
-OWS
No NT despises NFs. They don't do emotions/feelings remember?
So.. okay, we can't stereotype NFs anymore. That still gives us 12 types that we can stereotype.
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Amazingly dumb question: Who does that now? Honestly, with all the books I've read, training I've been to, discussions I've been involved in, etc, I don't think that I have EVER actually heard anyone say that! Yes, type descriptions of NFP's often talk about "personal values "being "values-driven", and other words, but those seem to me to be attempts to describe the Fi function, and perhaps its Ne expressions.
One can look at large pools of people and make statistical statements, and I wouldn't considering that stereotyping. "Most___ tend to __" is VERY different from "ALL ___ do ___." The correlations between MBTI type and careers comes to mind first for me. For example, the NT and TJ predisposition to become engineers or scientists, the INF tendency to become psychotherapists and the like, ENF's in things like PR and HR, these are trends that can be seen in large groups of people! To give a personal example, I have worked as both a "research scientist" [laser physics], and as a "research engineer". As mentioned above, science is very NT in character [theory NTP, experiment, NTJ], and engineering very TJ. Having spent 4 years in college physics, 7 years in graduate level physics and engineering, and a few years out of school working in science and engineering, in NO uncertain terms the VAST majority of the people that I met were INTJ's, followed by ENTJ's, INTP's, ISTP's, and maybe ENTP's. In all those years of doing things, I am the ONLY INFP that I've ever seen! I've seen ONE INFJ, ONE ENFP, and *ZERO* ENFJ's, that entire time! And if you think that's bad, trying looking into how many engineers are SF's! Is there a law anywhere saying that NF's can't study physics, or that SF's can not? No, no there is not. But, there are reasons that NT's and TJ predominate in science and engineering, and there are reasons that NF's tend to flee like their very lives depend on it, and the SF's even more so. Once you start talking about large groups of people and trends, statistics comes into it. Sure you might always find a few stragglers here and there, me for example in the cases above, but the general trends still prevail by far. That in and of itself is not stereotyping, its calling the trends and statistics what they are. "ALL INFP's hate science" is a stereotype and incorrect, but "FEW INFP's go into hard sciences as a career" is a statistical statement, born out by experience and investigation. "All NT's are good at math and science" is a stereotype and incorrect, but "most scientists and engineers are NT's and/or TJ's" is a statistical statement, again born out by experience and investigation. There are tables of careers by MBTI percentage, for example in Gifts Differing, take a look, it's very interesting. And, IME quite disheartening.
IME, a person can always "buck the trends" but if you do, be prepared to be the only person like yourself, standing on hostile ground, surrounded by people very different from yourself whom quite possibly look down on you for all sorts of different reasons. I never had a problem in my life that I knew of that I'd point to my MBTI as "causing", UNTIL I got into college/grad school/working. Now, its arguably every moment of everyday of my professional life. I know first hand a number of the reasons why INFPs don't generally pursue certain careers, and further why many of those who might initially pursue those careers would still quit them once they got into them. Yes, one can always make those uncommon untypical-for-your-type choices, but speaking from a number of personal experiences, they can go TOTALLY not the way you wanted and I don't recommend some of the consequences one iota.
I didn't say NTs despise NFs, NTs despise F itself. And anger /being disgusted by something is wellcomed feeling for NTs, if I got it correctly.