[NT] Random thought thread (NT version)

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Uncertain catastrophes happen all the time. A guy was murdered very near where I live a few weeks ago; the perpetrator didn't know him; he was just a rando to a disturbed individual. That's not a reason for me to go through life constantly pissing my pants in fear and demanding that people should no longer be able to walk on the streets without permits or some nonsense. It's not even trading freedom for security, it's trading freedom for nothing. That shit doesn't guarantee security, because nothing does.

Yeah, I was afraid at first, but I got over it and got on with my life.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Perfectionism is the most sublime encarnation of self-torture.

I recently posted elsewhere: "The greatest pathology is perfectionism."

 

[Madboot]

I recently posted elsewhere: "The greatest pathology is perfectionism."

Perfectionism is fine as long as there is an understanding that you will never achieve perfection. I does, however, lead one to improvement.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Perfectionism is fine as long as there is an understanding that you will never achieve perfection. I does, however, lead one to improvement.

If you understand that it cannot be achieved, then you have also accepted that it does not exist. Therefore, striving for it is pathological.

 

[Madboot]

If you understand that it cannot be achieved, then you have also accepted that it does not exist. Therefore, striving for it is pathological.

Only if you think the destination is the point. The journey is real point.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Only if you think the destination is the point. The journey is real point.

Although I do not think that what you are saying is pointless, I think you may be missing my point. I'm not sure that I can articulate it with appropriate clarity though.

 

[Madboot]

Although I do not think that what you are saying is pointless, I think you may be missing my point. I'm not sure that I can articulate it with appropriate clarity though.

I think I do understand what your trying to say, and it is certainly relevant. I would be very easy to be get stuck, so to speak, and end up in an endless frustrating pursuit of the unattainable goal. And I'm not sure I know how to explain myself clearly, but there is a mental place where you hold up the ideal and strive for it, knowing you won't get there. But it's not frustrating, but humbling instead. But along with this path, one must learn to celebrate the achievements that are made. Perfection is the unattainable goal, but there are attainable goals along the path. If that makes any sense at all.

I apologize. You may have caught me in a Ni mood. And I know that isn't logical or very explainable outside my own head sometimes.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

I think I do understand what your trying to say, and it is certainly relevant. I would be very easy to be get stuck, so to speak, and end up in an endless frustrating pursuit of the unattainable goal. And I'm not sure I know how to explain myself clearly, but there is a mental place where you hold up the ideal and strive for it, knowing you won't get there. But it's not frustrating, but humbling instead. But along with this path, one must learn to celebrate the achievements that are made. Perfection is the unattainable goal, but there are attainable goals along the path. If that makes any sense at all.

I apologize. You may have caught me in a Ni mood. And I know that isn't logical or very explainable outside my own head sometimes.

No apologies, I speak Ni well enough (usually) and understood what you were saying.

For me, the closest thing to perfection is a frame of mind that can be had in an instant with an intentional lateral shift in consciousness/Being, mainly revolving around mindfulness, but also incorporating discipline and higher awareness. Think Wim Hoff or David Blaine type stuff (both of whom heavily focus on Ni and Fi, just in opposite orders). It's all about controlling and shaping the abstract or theoretical (which includes the future) self, but it can be brought into the present if you blur the concept of time.

I think the concept and strategies are simple and effective enough, but the real barrier is rather earthly in nature (like suffering, distractions, or mental illness for example).

So for me (even though I suck at following my own guidance here), perfection in theory can be embodied in a moment of intent, no matter where one is, and it can be carried with oneself and used in the form of discipline as a tool to bend one's surroundings and circumstances into a more appealing shape.

But it always comes from within, and so cannot be pursued and captured.

Full disclosure: I do have an image of ideal Me in my head, but I'm still aware that perfection, like most things (everything?) is a construct. I suppose pathology would be too. It's all relative.

Now who doesn't make any sense?

 

[Madboot]

No apologies, I speak Ni well enough (usually) and understood what you were saying.

For me, the closest thing to perfection is a frame of mind that can be had in an instant with an intentional lateral shift in consciousness/Being, mainly revolving around mindfulness, but also incorporating discipline and higher awareness. Think Wim Hoff or David Blaine type stuff (both of whom heavily focus on Ni and Fi, just in opposite orders). It's all about controlling and shaping the abstract or theoretical (which includes the future) self, but it can be brought into the present if you blur the concept of time.

I think the concept and strategies are simple and effective enough, but the real barrier is rather earthly in nature (like suffering, distractions, or mental illness for example).

So for me (even though I suck at following my own guidance here), perfection in theory can be embodied in a moment of intent, no matter where one is, and it can be carried with oneself and used in the form of discipline as a tool to bend one's surroundings and circumstances into a more appealing shape.

But it always comes from within, and so cannot be pursued and captured.

Full disclosure: I do have an image of ideal Me in my head, but I'm still aware that perfection, like manner things (everything?) is a construct. I suppose pathology would be too. It's all relative.

Now who doesn't make any sense?

You're making perfect sense to me. I think we are saying very similar things, just coming from different angles.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

People underestimate the ability of cats to show affection. They can be annoying about it, at times. Just like a dog!

 

[The Cat]

perspective is limited as the perspective of the preceptor

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I don't know if this is a function of age, or the fact that I'm an unusual INTP, but I'm really interested in exploring connections with people. I don't mean just romantic relationships, but relationships with people in general.

This is a new thing. When I was younger, I wasn't even aware of my emotions. When I first learned about MBTI, I truly believed the popular bullshit about INTPs being robots because I thought I didn't have any, although I clearly did. (I used to think this had something to do with the Adderall, but this seems unlikely; other people don't seem to report this).

I'm reminded of Daario Nardi and what he said about Fe, and how it's about building a relationship. It's about how you feel close and connected with someone when you're doing it right. That's a wonderful feeling. I want to chase that. I should chase that.

 

[The Cat]

“Personality tests are by and large constructed to be ableist, to be racist, to be sexist, and to be classist,” says the disability justice advocate Lydia XZ Brown. “That’s what happens when you have a test … based on norms devised from college-educated straight white men with no known disabilities. Personality tests are useful for individual people sometimes on journeys of self-discovery. But when they’re used to make decisions by other people affecting someone’s life, they become dangerous tools.”​

'They become dangerous tools': the dark side of personality tests

In the documentary Persona: The Dark Truth Behind Personality Tests, the discriminatory nature of a widely used tool is put under the microscope

www.theguardian.com

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

'They become dangerous tools': the dark side of personality tests

In the documentary Persona: The Dark Truth Behind Personality Tests, the discriminatory nature of a widely used tool is put under the microscope

www.theguardian.com

I confess I'm still interested in using the vocabulary, particularly of functions, to describe certain mental states or ways of thinking. I'm wondering if I could get anyone else to join me.

I do think there's peril in writing people off just because they are not your type, or a type that's seen as "close enough." I have done that before, and I think that's not a good way to view things. I think you should try and avoid type taking a higher level of priority than the person underneath. You should get to know the individual people, and then use that to make a decision about them, and not simply rely on whatever type you have assigned as a lazy heuristic for how to regard them. That may have been what Mole was going on about.