Random Star Trek thoughts

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

No, I got that. There's shit in there though that's just bizarre even given that. Like the Bugs Bunny fan dance Uhura gives and the cat wrestling. Seriously, this cat alien gets a *lot* of screen time. It's like some weird precursor to the 2020 Cats movie.

I think the idea for Star Trek V is actually really good, but the problem. alas, is in the execution, much like the Star Wars prequels, although at least those give us more to look at.

I wonder how shatner would have done directing the phantom menace. i mean it couldn't have been much worse than what we got

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I wonder how shatner would have done directing the phantom menace. i mean it couldn't have been much worse than what we got

There probably would have been a cat stripper thrown in for some reason. Also, I actually think TPM is probably my favorite prequel. They didn't really go as overboard with the CG on that as they did on the other ones, so as a result it feels a bit more "real".

Also there's a boyish exuberance to it that I like. Maybe I just feel nostalgic because it was the only one released before everything started going to shit (which I guess is the case within the universe of the movie, too!).

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I think the production design of newer Trek leaves a lot to be desired. Actually most of the design and look of the universe from Enterprise on I find bland and derivative of most contemporary space science fiction design.

Lower Decks is probably the best of the lot, and that's because they actually took the TNG-DS9-VOY aesthetic (which was very unique among science fiction franchises of that period) but redesigned it to fit the later point in the timeline. Picard, for all the money and work they put into it, just looks uninspired and drab. The only bits of design that ever stand out to me are the repurposings (i.e. the old Romulan TOS style Bird of Prey) or call backs (i.e. images of Picard's old ships The Stargazer and Enterprise D). The new starfleet ships in Picard are so lacking and boring--they look like someone just looked at a bunch of Star Trek Online ship classes and then were inspired to make the most basic, generic type of ship ever--all the more amusing when Riker boasts he is on the most advanced ship in the fleet, when it's the same type of ship as every other bloody ship in his fleet. One of the fun things about past trek was the diversity of types of starfleet vessels, but in Picard, despite their high budget, they just made one or two types of ships. The JJverse is still my least favorite of any phase of trek when it comes to production design and aesthetics. I did like the redesign of the TOS uniforms--they took a classic design and just slightly tweaked it. Certain classic designs (i.e. Volkswagen beetles, the classic iPod) really don't need to be changed much, just slightly rehauled. If only they had taken a similar approach to the Enterprise. The JJprise is all distorted and fucked up. The nacelles are too bulbous and close together, and they look "top heavy" attached to that saucer. Sure, it's zero gravity, but there's somethign to be said for the appearance of balance in a good spaceship design. Discovery, in the other hand, handles their design of the TOS ship a little better. they got the proprotions more accurate. It both looks like the classic TOS design while being an obvious update.

Doscovery actually introduced several interesting classes of ships. I like them in theory, but they feel too advanced and to me look like they would be a better fit for the TNG/Picard era. The blue Discovery uniforms I also kinda like, as they distinctly starfleet but also original--they look like a natrual transition point between the jumpsuits of Enterprise and the bright primary color uniforms of TOS.

 

[FemMecha]

I wish Jeordi would have gotten a girlfriend. He’s all chill and nice and smart and is often getting crushes that get crushed.

 

[FemMecha]

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[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Janeway's promotion to an admiral in Nemesis had the feel of someone being kicked upstairs. I like Janeway, but she's kind of a loose cannon and broke the rules a lot and made some ethically questionable decisions. I think starfleet couldn't outright force her to resign or court martial her, due to her popularity with the public and in starfleet, so she was promoted to a largely ceremonial role in the admiralty. I think somehing similar was done to Kirk between TOS and the motion picture. I think the top brass was never quite sure what to do with Kirk.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

those silly handles on Terrell's and Chekov's spacesuits explained:

it's funny how the spacesuits in Star Trek II have conveniently placed handles on the chestpieces for Khan to use when lifting Chekov off the ground. They do seem a silly addition at first glance, but they're actually pretty practical if you think about it. It looks like a convenient place to hook a cord to prevent one from drifting off during spacewalks. It also looks like a convenient handle to use when storing/moving empty spacesuits. If nothing else, if someone needed to grab a fellow officer to prevent them from drifting away in a spacewalk, it's a nice place to grab. Imagine if the spacesuits in Gravity had little handles

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

btw that spacesuit design from ST I and II still looks pretty cool and I don't think they aged badly, compared to, say, the environmental suits worn in TOS. I also like the spacsuits from First Contact. They update the TMP/TWOK design nicely

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

those silly handles on Terrell's and Chekov's spacesuits explained:

it's funny how the spacesuits in Star Trek II have conveniently placed handles on the chestpieces for Khan to use when lifting Chekov off the ground. They do seem a silly addition at first glance, but they're actually pretty practical if you think about it. It looks like a convenient place to hook a cord to prevent one from drifting off during spacewalks. It also looks like a convenient handle to use when storing/moving empty spacesuits. If nothing else, if someone needed to grab a fellow officer to prevent them from drifting away in a spacewalk, it's a nice place to grab. Imagine if the spacesuits in Gravity had little handles

I never noticed!

 

[SgtP3pper]

I wish Jeordi would have gotten a girlfriend. He’s all chill and nice and smart and is often getting crushes that get crushed.

Jeordi would've made a terrible boyfriend imo.

 

[SgtP3pper]

I can see why Wesley Crusher was so hated. I'm making my way for the first season, and he's almost always right about everything, and everything else is wrong. I think the character would have been received if they'd had him make mistakes and occasionally be wrong because of inexperience, while still having moments where his underestimated because of his age. From what I've read, it sounds like they "fix" the character in later seasons. Would that be accurate?

Wesley was supposed to be a savant, a child prodigy of technology. Someone who was "destined for greater things". Poor writing and improper handling of the character however ultimately depicted him as a Mary Sue.

 

[SgtP3pper]

Tasha Yar's death really is quite lame. I've thought that many of the later episodes in season 1 were vast improvements. The characters were better defined and they seemed to have stopped relying on Wesley to save the day despite nobody listening to him at first. But this episode, "Skin of Evil" wasn't that good. The concept itself didn't feel that Star Trek.... it seemed like something that belonged in the fantasy genre.. or perhaps Star Wars. It just didn't seem to really belong in this universe. The one good thing about this episode was that I felt like it gave a decent amount of stuff for Troi to do; she was pretty well handled here.

I also got really tired of watching the ooze slowly form a goo man.

Actress Denise Crosby, who played Yar on the show, was dissatisfied with her role in the series. The episode was created as a way to explain her absence from future episodes.

 

[Hellena Handbasket]

Wesley was supposed to be a savant, a child prodigy of technology. Someone who was "destined for greater things". Poor writing and improper handling of the character however ultimately depicted him as a Mary Sue.

And it’s sad really because the character had such potential

 

[SgtP3pper]

And it’s sad really because the character had such potential

I agree.

 

[FemMecha]

Jeordi would've made a terrible boyfriend imo.

Why? I'm curious because I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[SgtP3pper]

Why? I'm curious because I have no idea what you are talking about.

geordi's interaction with women is so cringe I literally facepalmed during the episode.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Chekov should've been the Captain of the Enterprise B in Generations.

 

[Hellena Handbasket]

I agree.

Like a cross between Lucas Wolanzcak and Spencer Reid lol

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Chekov should've been the Captain of the Enterprise B in Generations.

Does anyone like Chekov? I was listening to a podcast where they would have talked about how they would have preferred George Takei or Nichelle Nichols for his appearance in generations. Obviously that was written as Bones and why he's doing medical type things.

 

[FemMecha]

geordi's interaction with women is so cringe I literally facepalmed during the episode.

That's something I like about him. He doesn't play the "game" or be a smooth operator. I actually despise smooth operators and run away silently screaming from them. Riker is the last person I'd be attracted to in STNG world. People who are polished socially are false, or if they have moments of sincerity you cannot tell the difference. I like people who are a little awkward but sincere. All I care about is authenticity, so if I were in Star Trek land, I would very likely date Geordi, and I recently watched the entire series so all the "cringe-worthy" moments are fresh in my mind. I'd date DATA first and not try to force him to be human, then Geordi, then Troi maybe because her hair leaves me in awe.