[NT] NT's and Alcohol.

[Night]

I always find these types of reasons quite strange... I mean understandable and everything, sure. But to me, it'd be like the equivalent of saying "my family has people with heart problems in it that all stemmed from eating too much and doing no exercise, therefore I, who doesn't eat too much and do exercise, will not allow myself this delicious meat pie!"

While I get your point, I daresay few heart conditions have directly resulted in loss of job and/or erosion of family stability. What's more, while imprudent, it's certainly not illegal to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence of a heart condition...

My point is that alcoholism carries with it a constellation of social/penal taboos not normally encountered in most other forms of genetic inheritance.

 

[Zoom]

Opinion regarding others' use of it aside, I don't like consuming alcohol. For some reason over the past year every single time I've had it (three times) I got sick to my stomach, threw up a few hours later... it even coincided with food poisoning once, though that was probably coincidental.

I don't even like the taste anymore - I have it so rarely it seems like I'm hypersensitive to synthetic sugars and additives, just like when I stopped eating candy, soda and heavily prepackaged foods a decade ago.

 

[substitute]

While I get your point, I daresay few heart conditions have directly resulted in loss of job and/or erosion of family stability. What's more, while imprudent, it's certainly not illegal to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence of a heart condition...

My point is that alcoholism carries with it a constellation of social/penal taboos not normally encountered in most other forms of genetic inheritance.

yeah, but my point was that whether and to what extent you experience those issues is entirely down to your own choice: how much you drink, how often you drink. I'm living proof, as are most people I know, that there is a third option besides total abstinence and alcoholism!

The idea of "drink" ruining people's lives... it's not the drink! As you say, it's just a drink, it sits there, it doesn't do anything. What ruins your life, if it does, is your own lack of willpower, your own abuse of the stuff, it's your own bum choices. I could choose to eat Mac Donald's every day and die of heart disease when I'm 40, or I could choose to eat it once in a while and make sure I get exercise, and it does no harm at all.

That's just the part I have trouble understanding really - the idea that it's all or nothing, and the shoving of responsibility onto the drink or the manufacturers, for the people's bad choices that lead to ruin for them.

 

[Willfrey]

I indulge on occasion, only when I truly believe the fun I will have will outweigh the hangover I inevitably get the following morning.

 

[Misty_Mountain_Rose]

that would take us severely off topic and be an entire debate in itself! and, being outnumbered on this forum quite overwhelmingly, I don't think I'd care to get involved in that debate!

suffice it to say that, as far as alcohol and sex go... a resounding YES! And I'm a European who has been to America... and doesn't want to go again

I'm an American who has lived in Europe, and for all the 'Freedoms' we tout here in the US, I found that we're more restricted than a lot of countries. It was an interesting and frightening observation.

Europe in general is much more open about a lot of things... and I found that they were more responsible with it. Oh, the irony.

To the OP - I'm not against drinking. I don't need it to help me socially, and I dont tend to get 'drunk' when I drink.

There are some people though who should definately not drink, as it brings out the ass in them

 

[Grungemouse]

I'm not big on drinking. I love the occasional glass of wine or champagne (I particularly like Jacob's Creek).

Otherwise I'm more of an opportunist; if there happens to be alcohol available, like at a play for instance, I might have a drink. But I won't actively go out for the sole purpose of having one.

 

[ghoti]

Drinking makes me sleepy.

 

[medica]

Alcohol? Yes, please!

 

[charliefoxtrot]

I do enjoy alcohol. I'm just the chattiest drunk ever, it's embarrassing. The only times I've been really smammered have been with one really good friend, never in a large social setting, so the actual embarrassment has been minimal so far. But I enjoy the experience a lot, and the comedy of trying to operate while inebriated. It's good times.

 

[entropie]

I do enjoy alcohol. I'm just the chattiest drunk ever, it's embarrassing.

Are you intrested, by chance, in making really nasty men love ? I am just... I am... <3

 

[Bamboo]

based on/speaking for my ENTP dad:

Alcohol is very bad. Don't drink it at all - just stay away from it. It could ruin your life, so just don't do it.

He sees no value in it nor is he persuaded by any comment that occasional, social drinking won't lead to alcoholism for almost everyone.

 

[Synarch]

based on/speaking for my ENTP dad:

Alcohol is very bad. Don't drink it at all - just stay away from it. It could ruin your life, so just don't do it.

He sees no value in it nor is he persuaded by any comment that occasional, social drinking won't lead to alcoholism for almost everyone.

Sounds like another black or white ENTP. I've been considering giving up alcohol completely myself, only so my position on it can be more solid.

 

[simulatedworld]

It's ok.

Drinking to excess is retarded. I got that out of my system in college.

Now I'll have a few beers for fun but rarely more than 4 or 5.

If I drink a lot, all the social conditioning I've imposed upon myself just comes undone and I'm way too honest with people.

It's fun now and again but not something to be abused.

 

[substitute]

it's still weird to me to see this polarity between absitence and drinking enough to get drunk, however lightly. it's like there's no realization at all of the concept of just a single pint, to taste, to savour, to enjoy, to refresh, with drunkenness being nowhere in the equation. Cos I do that a lot, probably almost every day.

 

[INTJ123]

alcohol is whatever, I had alot of bad experiences with it actually. I think it's impossible for me to become an alcoholic.

 

[Kingfisher]

Sounds like another black or white ENTP. I've been considering giving up alcohol completely myself, only so my position on it can be more solid.

so you would be giving it up not because you want to, but because you think it will make your position more solid. does that make you more solid? that seems like it would make you appear more solid, even to yourself, but wouldn't change your actual position.

 

[CJ99]

Its useful for breaking down social inabitions but part from that i don't overly like it.
To be honest a litre of red rooster or 2 will do me just as well at a party!

 

[Verfremdungseffekt]

I take a bit of red sometimes when I'm writing in the middle of the night and need to dial down my Ti. Or with some bread and cheese, for lunch. Noir or beaujolais, usually. I drink sake with sushi. Otherwise, I don't have much use for alcohol.

I seem to have quite a high tolerance. It takes a good deal to give a pronounced effect, and then I remain rational. It's just that my Ne comes more to the fore. And my motor skills diminish somewhat.

Though I'm hardly an expert, I am fond of wine. Had I more money, I might explore a little further. As it is, I tend to find the best possible deals and save the bottles for just the right moment.

 

[epp]

i'm quite like substitute. i definitely don't need alcohol to socialise better, actually i think it sort of inhibits it, making me (and others) behave differently than normal. so drinking for me is all about the taste and sensations i get from drinking, so i rarely drink more than a glass or perhaps two (well, sometimes three) glasses of wine/cider - and i have to have a reason to drink at all.

but i can do 'curative' drinking when needed. which basically means i get *really* wasted when i need to get numb... just as substitute said - not for solving problems but rather for 'getting a break' from overwhelming feelings... which i will certainly deal with the next day. sort of like solving intellectual problems - if my mind gets twisted, i just take the time off for a while and then i suddenly see a solution. so - alcohol is a tool for taking a break from emotional problems - so i could see a solution.

i have done it three times. works like a charm when done correctly. don't try this at home, though

 

[ceecee]

I just have one when I feel like it, more often in the summer months. Then I can go months and months without one. I certainly don't mind a social drink (mixed or wine) when eating out or with friends or maybe a beer with pizza and drinks on ice or frozen are great when it's hot out. I just don't think much about it.