Mal12345
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I talk as I'm thinking.
That wasn't part of the question. It's not a mental health test.
I talk as I'm thinking.
That wasn't part of the question. It's not a mental health test.
ISFJ whaaat
I got INTP. I usually test INTP, but I am INFP.
As usual, the feeling questions weren't very good. I can't relate to feeling when it makes people out to be dishonest softies running on emotion![]()
"Dishonest softies"? Then show me what comes across as a dishonest softy in the following questions from this test -
"The world would be a better place if more people: Had their heart in the right place."
"Whose genius would you rather have? Shakespeare." (Would it be more honest to choose Einstein if you're a feeler?)
"In resolving conflicts, which approach do you more often find yourself taking? A kind-hearted approach based on personal understanding and good faith."
"Logical analysis is a valuable tool, but some people seem sadly oblivious to its limitations."
"When others communicate, I more often get distracted when they: Demonstrate disregard for others' feelings or unawareness of their own feelings."
"Find yourself so sympathetic to her distress that you may find yourself glossing over what she did wrong?"
"I am more often dismayed because someone is being: Cold and offensive."
I scored INFP the first time I took that test. Some of the T responses seemed rather coldhearted so I didn't choose them. I self type as INTP although lately I've been seriously considering INFP as a possibility.
"Dishonest softies"? Then show me what comes across as a dishonest softy in the following questions from this test -
To be fair, you must consider the T answers too (see spoiler below). It's the contrast that is a part of the problem, because it creates a context where the Feeling answer sounds like it does not involve rational reason, but is instead about sentimental emotional reactions. I chose the Feeling answer where it is bolded, for the record.
I put this in spoilers, for obvious reasons:
"The world would be a better place if more people
T: Used their head.
F: Had their heart in the right place."
This implies Feelers don't use their head, aka, THINK. Feeling, however, IS a form of thinking, as all of the functions are. I find the F answer really vague too - what does it mean to "have your heart in the right place"? That sounds like cheesy greeting card phrasing to me.
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"Whose genius would you rather have? Shakespeare." (Would it be more honest to choose Einstein if you're a feeler?)
I think this is a poor question to determine type, as it can amount to taste; but then, I actually chose the F answer.
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"In resolving conflicts, which approach do you more often find yourself taking?
T: A principled approach based on justice and logic.
F: A kind-hearted approach based on personal understanding and good faith."
Here again, in comparison, we have the F answer failing to include any mention of using reason. It sounds very reactionary, like an emotional response, not an valuative approach using lines of reasoning.
I don't like either answer though (the T one is rather cold) & can't remember which I chose.
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"Which statement do you agree with the most?
T: Feelings are irrational and have no place in truth-seeking
F: Logical analysis is a valuable tool, but some people seem sadly oblivious to its limitations."
I don't have a problem with the F answer here, and I chose it, but I do have a problem with what the T one implies about Feeling. Feelings are, by the MBTI/Jungian definitions, not irrational. Fe & Fi are both rational thought processes. I know this, but if I had taken the test without that knowledge, then the impression this gives would have led me to think I am probably not a Feeler. This inaccurate picture of Feeling as irrational emotion is what often causes F types to test as Ts.
"When others communicate, I more often get distracted when they:
T: Make errors of logic or fact.
F: Demonstrate disregard for others' feelings or unawareness of their own feelings."
I don't have a problem with this one as far as what it implies (although "feelings" could still be wrongly read as "emotions"). I don't think I really notice one over the other though.
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"I am more often dismayed because someone is being:
F: Cold and offensive.
T: Illogical and emotional."
I chose this F answer, even though it seems to imply Feelers are okay with illogic. For me, it can depend on the person & the context. My family would tell you I am probably more irritated by illogical/emotional types, because I am more open in expressing my annoyance with them.
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This is a perfect example of making Feelers sounds dishonest:
A friend is distressed by a conflict for which you think she is partially responsible without seeming to acknowledge it. Do you:
T: Remain detached and have to bite your tongue to withhold your criticism until after she is done venting her feelings?
F: Find yourself so sympathetic to her distress that you may find yourself glossing over what she did wrong?"
Feeling is about valuation, often described as coming from a moral standpoint on issues, and yet, the description here is a person compromising moral values to be "nice". No, I don't identify with that. There is a line between compassionate understanding & enabling wrong-doing; this scenario becomes the latter, IMO.
I've been in this scenario, and I was the one person to not coddle my friend, but to tell her she was in the wrong. In the end, I was the friend she had to thank for saving her relationship with her then fiance.
The T answer is closer to my reaction, although I am not detached, but quietly engaged while identifying the core problem & puzzling out what is the best solution, and I'm biting my tongue until I can get a chance to gently lead the other person to realize their part in it & what needs to be done to correct it. I think that approach is very much a Feeling one, as it's using evaluative reasoning to determine what is best for people & their relationships.
To be fair, you must consider the T answers too (see spoiler below). It's the contrast that is a part of the problem, because it creates a context where the Feeling answer sounds like it does not involve rational reason, but is instead about sentimental emotional reactions. I chose the Feeling answer where it is bolded, for the record.
I put this in spoilers, for obvious reasons:
"The world would be a better place if more people
T: Used their head.
F: Had their heart in the right place."
This implies Feelers don't use their head, aka, THINK. Feeling, however, IS a form of thinking, as all of the functions are. I find the F answer really vague too - what does it mean to "have your heart in the right place"? That sounds like cheesy greeting card phrasing to me.
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"Whose genius would you rather have? Shakespeare." (Would it be more honest to choose Einstein if you're a feeler?)
I think this is a poor question to determine type, as it can amount to taste; but then, I actually chose the F answer.
----
"In resolving conflicts, which approach do you more often find yourself taking?
T: A principled approach based on justice and logic.
F: A kind-hearted approach based on personal understanding and good faith."
Here again, in comparison, we have the F answer failing to include any mention of using reason. It sounds very reactionary, like an emotional response, not an valuative approach using lines of reasoning.
I don't like either answer though (the T one is rather cold) & can't remember which I chose.
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"Which statement do you agree with the most?
T: Feelings are irrational and have no place in truth-seeking
F: Logical analysis is a valuable tool, but some people seem sadly oblivious to its limitations."
I don't have a problem with the F answer here, and I chose it, but I do have a problem with what the T one implies about Feeling. Feelings are, by the MBTI/Jungian definitions, not irrational. Fe & Fi are both rational thought processes. I know this, but if I had taken the test without that knowledge, then the impression this gives would have led me to think I am probably not a Feeler. This inaccurate picture of Feeling as irrational emotion is what often causes F types to test as Ts.
"When others communicate, I more often get distracted when they:
T: Make errors of logic or fact.
F: Demonstrate disregard for others' feelings or unawareness of their own feelings."
I don't have a problem with this one as far as what it implies (although "feelings" could still be wrongly read as "emotions"). I don't think I really notice one over the other though.
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"I am more often dismayed because someone is being:
F: Cold and offensive.
T: Illogical and emotional."
I chose this F answer, even though it seems to imply Feelers are okay with illogic. For me, it can depend on the person & the context. My family would tell you I am probably more irritated by illogical/emotional types, because I am more open in expressing my annoyance with them.
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This is a perfect example of making Feelers sounds dishonest:
A friend is distressed by a conflict for which you think she is partially responsible without seeming to acknowledge it. Do you:
T: Remain detached and have to bite your tongue to withhold your criticism until after she is done venting her feelings?
F: Find yourself so sympathetic to her distress that you may find yourself glossing over what she did wrong?"
Feeling is about valuation, often described as coming from a moral standpoint on issues, and yet, the description here is a person compromising moral values to be "nice". No, I don't identify with that. There is a line between compassionate understanding & enabling wrong-doing; this scenario becomes the latter, IMO.
I've been in this scenario, and I was the one person to not coddle my friend, but to tell her she was in the wrong. In the end, I was the friend she had to thank for saving her relationship with her then fiance.
The T answer is closer to my reaction, although I am not detached, but quietly engaged while identifying the core problem & puzzling out what is the best solution, and I'm biting my tongue until I can get a chance to gently lead the other person to realize their part in it & what needs to be done to correct it. I think that approach is very much a Feeling one, as it's using evaluative reasoning to determine what is best for people & their relationships.
You're using emotional reasoning. Of course. Taking things personally is part of it.