MBTI functions in action, within politics.

[Maou]

I have always wondered why one of these threads were not in political section, despite that is what the board is about. I wanted to understand more about how different functions manifest, and behave in politics (regardless of side). I would like everyone to state their political position, and their MBTI (With ennegram) and write about any observations you have made in the political board about how people use functions. Please and thank you.

I personally have noticed an abundance of Te-type thinking in the forum. I was talking the other day in discord about the differences between Ti and Te type conversations, and I noticed many Te people present here. Te-type thinkers tend to be more orderly, have a linear logic, and come to a conclusion within all their points (or state otherwise). Ti on the other hand, is more prone to presenting a lot of scattered objective and subjective information, and letting people decide for themselves on what to do with it. This usually results in misunderstandings, or assumptions. So I think it's fair to say Te-type thinking is more favored in political thinking due to its uniform and easy to digest nature.

This will probably not get much traffic, because people don't want to be seen as a type. Doesn't hurt to try though.

 

[Merced]

Hi, I'm a radical leftist. Anarchocommunist to be specific, but I acknowledge that it's not happening in my life time, so I also identify as a Democratic Socialist. ESTJ, 2w3, dunno my variant if I'm being honest.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I’m a libertarian socialist and a boy’s and men’s rights advocate, but also an equality and sex positive feminist. INTP 9 sp/sx

 

[Maou]

I am technically a Centrist Liberal, and one of the reasons why I don't think the Democratic party is actually Liberal anymore. They are more likely Democratic socialists. Another thing to note is that I am a 4w5 INTP, which is a bit odd but irrefutable fact once you get to know me. This tends to place me at odds with the traditional 5 or 9 type INTP, but the differences are more obvious in our communication styles as I don't really care about presenting my information in a 5 fashion. I focus more on being myself, which gives me a bit of a Fi vibe.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I am technically a Centrist Liberal, and one of the reasons why I don't think the Democratic party is actually Liberal anymore. They are more likely Democratic socialists. Another thing to note is that I am a 4w5 INTP, which is a bit odd but irrefutable fact once you get to know me. This tends to place me at odds with the traditional 5 or 9 type INTP, but the differences are more obvious in our communication styles as I don't really care about presenting my information in a 5 fashion. I focus more on being myself, which gives me a bit of a Fi vibe.

I can see it. It’s probably a rare but not impossible combination, like ENTJ 9s

It’s ok, look at my global 5 and MBTI.. they should not correlate, but people who really know me would see it right away

 

[Jonny]

Rather than describe myself, I've taken a few tests the results of which are shown below. Also, I'm anti-Trump.

 

[Merced]

Rather than describe myself, I've taken a few tests the results of which are shown below. Also, I'm anti-Trump.

Would you mind taking and posting a different MBTI test? I recommend Keys2Cognition. I'm very sceptical of the dichotomy approach towards MBTI and I'm genuinely curious on how you test.

 

[ceecee]

The Democratic Party is a center right party. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support that by looking at the party platform and policies put forth by leadership. There is nothing remotely socialist about them unless you are referring to the military industrial complex or corporate welfare or the federal reserve.

That said, I believe there are candidates that embody what I and many others would like the direction and leadership to go so, I have no issue belonging to both the Democratic Party and the DSA and supporting candidates that have similar views and platforms. I'm very active in both orgs and am a labor union organizer so working people and their rights are near and dear to me.

I would consider myself a democratic socialist, with a heavy dose of libertarian socialism. I support consensus democracy, co-determination, certainly anarcho-syndicalism and left-wing market anarchism. INTJ 8w9.

 

[Jaguar]

ENTJ 8w7.

I take positions on individual issues. That's it. I don't create hyphenated labels for myself.

 

[Jonny]

Would you mind taking and posting a different MBTI test? I recommend Keys2Cognition. I'm very sceptical of the dichotomy approach towards MBTI and I'm genuinely curious on how you test.

 

[Merced]

Interesting... That first test you posted resulted in INTP and the one I recommend resulted in ENTP (though I think ExTJ is a more accurate assessment). Thanks for doing that, I know a 70-something question test can be annoying.

 

[Maou]

The Democratic Party is a center right party. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support that by looking at the party platform and policies put forth by leadership. There is nothing remotely socialist about them unless you are referring to the military industrial complex or corporate welfare or the federal reserve.

That said, I believe there are candidates that embody what I and many others would like the direction and leadership to go so, I have no issue belonging to both the Democratic Party and the DSA and supporting candidates that have similar views and platforms. I'm very active in both orgs and am a labor union organizer so working people and their rights are near and dear to me.

I would consider myself a democratic socialist, with a heavy dose of libertarian socialism. I support consensus democracy, co-determination, certainly anarcho-syndicalism and left-wing market anarchism. INTJ 8w9.

I disagree, because what makes a party is positions not "beliefs". If you compare Democrats now, to 20 years ago. You would get a different image. I posted a video recently on old Don Lemon, who told black people to pull up their pants, stop shaming people for "Acting white" etc. Now-a-days, you'd be called racist for even mentioning Black people change their behavior.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Well let’s not get too bogged down in defining the parties, since it really isn’t the point of this thread.

 

[Vendrah]

I have always wondered why one of these threads were not in political section, despite that is what the board is about. I wanted to understand more about how different functions manifest, and behave in politics (regardless of side). I would like everyone to state their political position, and their MBTI (With ennegram) and write about any observations you have made in the political board about how people use functions. Please and thank you.

I personally have noticed an abundance of Te-type thinking in the forum. I was talking the other day in discord about the differences between Ti and Te type conversations, and I noticed many Te people present here. Te-type thinkers tend to be more orderly, have a linear logic, and come to a conclusion within all their points (or state otherwise). Ti on the other hand, is more prone to presenting a lot of scattered objective and subjective information, and letting people decide for themselves on what to do with it. This usually results in misunderstandings, or assumptions. So I think it's fair to say Te-type thinking is more favored in political thinking due to its uniform and easy to digest nature.

This will probably not get much traffic, because people don't want to be seen as a type. Doesn't hurt to try though.

Well, before answering it for you, I do have a question to you and likely to others. To you: What you really understand as 'lots of Ti' or 'lots of Te' on the politics area? To you and others: Do you know which is the case where Te ignores data and facts?
EDIT: Remove the tip that could make the answer to the latter question obvious.

 

[Mole]

More than mbti functions in action in politics, we need astrological functions in action in politics. Why, the wife of President Ronald Reagan advised the President based on astrological functions. And indeed, the wife of Julius Caesar advised Caesar to beware the Ides of March, and she was right.

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[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I'm a democratic socialist and an INTP 5w6. I actually care a lot about individual liberties, though, despite what some people might think. Part of what put me on this path is an observation that centrist liberalism doesn't actually care that much about such things.

Take Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. Which one of them has the tendency to vote in favor of more government surveillance and things like the Patriot Act, and which against? In fact, I had known about Bernie Sanders long before 2008 because I had seen him make some principled stances that were not part of the popular zeitgeist of the times.

 

[Mole]

I'm a democratic socialist and an INTP 5w6.

We wanna know your star sign before we vote.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

We wanna know your star sign before we vote.

CANZUC isn't gonna happen bro. UK will probably just get gobbled more into the American orbit if the U.S can hold itself together. Not sure what that means for Australia... maybe China will swoop in? I can't see us continuing to have the military reach to prevent that (You can give John Howard some thanks for that).

 

[Maou]

Well, before answering it for you, I do have a question to you and likely to others. To you: What you really understand as 'lots of Ti' or 'lots of Te' on the politics area? To you and others: Do you know which is the case where Te ignores data and facts?
EDIT: Remove the tip that could make the answer to the latter question obvious.

You mean what do I see as lots of Ti? I am trying to understand what you are asking me.

Ti to me, tends to lean more towards subjective "common sense" arguments, where data is drawn from both Ne (expansive) and Si (precedence) type observations. For example, a Ti dom is more likely to compare and contrast what has happened before, and all similar uses of action in question. While a Te type just draw conclusions based on what is happening in front of everyone, that is objective (at face value). Ti is more big picture, than Te. Te is more objective than Ti. I feel they can balance each other well, if done correctly.

In terms of Te ignoring facts/data, they are more likely to ignore competing data. Lets say there are two sets of data, one with lots of support. One will little. Te will 100% of the time support the one with lots of support, even if it turns out to be wrong. Since data sometimes requires subjective interpretation and self-understanding to make sense as a whole. Te fails to understand the entire big picture, to save time.

 

[Mole]

CANZUC isn't gonna happen bro. UK will probably just get gobbled more into the American orbit if the U.S can hold itself together. Not sure what that means for Australia... maybe China will swoop in? I can't see us continuing to have the military reach to prevent that (You can give John Howard some thanks for that).

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