Knowing that you are about to die

[StrawberryBoots]

There is no need to contradict the Bible for the Bible contradicts itself.

That means you misinterpreted it. Whether you believe it's fact or fiction, the truth remains, there are no contradictions. I understand it's a complex read, and that's why there are universities and scholars that teach Greek and Hebrew translations. It's an incredible book.

 

[Mole]

That means you misinterpreted it. Whether you believe it's fact or fiction, the truth remains, there are no contradictions. I understand it's a complex read, and that's why there are universities and scholars that teach Greek and Hebrew translations. It's an incredible book.

Gosh, it is a book without a sense of humour.

And as we lose our sense of humour when we are enchanted, so the Bible was written in a trance, and entrances the reader today.

And there are so many contradictions in the Bible, I wouldn't know where to start. At one point it tells us Jesus is the messiah because He is descended from King David through Joseph, but at another point we are told that Joseph is not the father of Jesus. This is a clear contradiction.

And the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are founded on the story of Abraham where God ordered Abraham to hogtie his son Isaac and stand over him with a butcher's knife, ready to cut up Isaac while he was alive.

The Bible does not ask us to imagine how Isaac felt. And none of the Abrahamic religions has asked us to imagine how Isaac felt.

And this is plainly a case of child abuse, where the feelings of the victim are totally and systematically ignored.

No wonder all of the Abrahamic religions have practised child abuse over centuries and covered it up.

 

[Firebird 8118]

Gosh, it is a book without a sense of humour.

And as we lose our sense of humour when we are enchanted, so the Bible was written in a trance, and entrances the reader today.

And there are so many contradictions in the Bible, I wouldn't know where to start. At one point it tells us Jesus is the messiah because He is descended from King David through Joseph, but at another point we are told that Joseph is not the father of Jesus. This is a clear contradiction.

And the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are founded on the story of Abraham where God ordered Abraham to hogtie his son Isaac and stand over him with a butcher's knife, ready to cut up Isaac while he was alive.

The Bible does not ask us to imagine how Isaac felt. And none of the Abrahamic religions has asked us to imagine how Isaac felt.

And this is plainly a case of child abuse, where the feelings of the victim are totally and systematically ignored.

No wonder all of the Abrahamic religions have practised child abuse over centuries and covered it up.

I was looking forward to this one Mole you always have an interesting way of saying things!

 

[Firebird 8118]

Normally the idea of death terrifies me... but after reading these accounts in the OP, I feel strangely calm. Maybe some of these people who had such a premonition about their own deaths were able to find their peace in their last moments. Perhaps that's what I'd feel if I knew I was about to die...

 

[miss fortune]

I think my family lacks this sense... usually if someone decides they're going to die it's because they're in the process of doing so at that very minute and they seem surprised

my grandmother's last words, at the age of 96, were "I'm going to die!" said in a surprised tone... she then dropped over dead

now, that's style, but it's also complete lack of foresight since she was taken by surprise

I think that if there are any sort of psychic powers of any sort, they completely skipped my family... no matter how old or sick, death is always something that happens to other people until we're actually doing it ourselves... I blame a ludriciously wide streak of optimism that seems to be hereditary

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

Normally the idea of death terrifies me... but after reading these accounts in the OP, I feel strangely calm. Maybe some of these people who had such a premonition about their own deaths were able to find their peace in their last moments. Perhaps that's what I'd feel if I knew I was about to die...

You too! We both saw it the same way. I read a story about an ICU nurse saying that people can control when they die - Can you foresee the death of a loved one? Intensive care nurse's accounts will astonish you | Daily Mail Online. Possibly people, like [MENTION=25377]SearchingforPeace[/MENTION] 's grandfather, are choosing to go. That's theory.

I've read more eerie ones before, like really scary ones. I can't find the best ones right now. They were probably in comments sections of articles. Here's an except from one about Michael Landon (I could find this one because it is about someone famous Page not found | THE PARADISE REPORTER

Michael Landon’s Demon Masters Escorted Him to Hell

....at his death, with his life almost extinguished, Landon experienced frightening visions of what awaited him on the other side. His daughter recalls that he was “hearing voices.” (208) She elaborates:

“He raised his fists and clawed at the air. I heard him mumbling…’No, not yet,’ he said clearly, ‘I’m not ready. No, I don’t want to go.’…The nurse told us Dad had spent the night raising his hands and pawning at the air as though he was trying to keep something away.” (210)

The evil spirits who puppeteered Landon through his life turned on him as they claimed his soul at his death....

He was thrashing, just thrashing about, moaning and groaning. It was like a battle was going on.... I didn’t know anything about spiritual battles. But it was scary to me because I could feel it. It was like light and darkness. It was like he was fighting against something. I didn’t know what, but now I know, he was seeing the vision of hell.”

Not the best story, but it was one I could find. Gotta love the title of it.

 

[StrawberryBoots]

Gosh, it is a book without a sense of humour.

And as we lose our sense of humour when we are enchanted, so the Bible was written in a trance, and entrances the reader today.

And there are so many contradictions in the Bible, I wouldn't know where to start. At one point it tells us Jesus is the messiah because He is descended from King David through Joseph, but at another point we are told that Joseph is not the father of Jesus. This is a clear contradiction.

And the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are founded on the story of Abraham where God ordered Abraham to hogtie his son Isaac and stand over him with a butcher's knife, ready to cut up Isaac while he was alive.

The Bible does not ask us to imagine how Isaac felt. And none of the Abrahamic religions has asked us to imagine how Isaac felt.

And this is plainly a case of child abuse, where the feelings of the victim are totally and systematically ignored.

No wonder all of the Abrahamic religions have practised child abuse over centuries and covered it up.

I'm in a hurry at the moment, so I can't respond to everything you said, but I will return and reply again when I have time. I see things from a different perspective than you, which is that man disrespected and abused its creator and father. The Bible teaches God's amazing love for mankind and that's the big picture. Those that get stuck in the weeds, as with anything in life, become the perpetual victim. That's not me. I'm guessing, the story of Abraham and Isaac teaches us God's mercy that can be likened (or is a foreshadowing) to the sacrifice of God's only son, Jesus. Let's not forget how man crucified Christ. And all of the horrible stuff man does. If they would just follow God's perfect plan, things would go well for them. It's like how we, as good parents try to raise our children to do good and be productive and respectful because ultimately it makes for a smooth, successful life.

 

[Mole]

I'm in a hurry at the moment, so I can't respond to everything you said, but I will return and reply again when I have time. I see things from a different perspective than you, which is that man disrespected and abused its creator and father. The Bible teaches God's amazing love for mankind and that's the big picture. Those that get stuck in the weeds, as with anything in life, become the perpetual victim. That's not me. I'm guessing, the story of Abraham and Isaac teaches us God's mercy that can be likened (or is a foreshadowing) to the sacrifice of God's only son, Jesus. Let's not forget how man crucified Christ. And all of the horrible stuff man does. If they would just follow God's perfect plan, things would go well for them. It's like how we, as good parents try to raise our children to do good and be productive and respectful because ultimately it makes for a smooth, successful life.

How delightful we see things from different perspectives.

God got off to a good start by ordering Abraham to cut up his son, Isaac, alive, and then doubled up by torturing His own Son, Jesus, to death.

These are two cases of egregious child abuse.

And don't forget, Jesus begged his Father not to torture Him to death by praying, Father, let this cup pass from me. So even Jesus knew it wasn't men who were torturing Him to death, but His own Father.

And interestingly, why did God the Father, torture His Son to death?

The Father tortured His Son to death because the Father was offended by us.

All this is a theology that comes from the psychopathic mind, it is devoid of reason and decency.

 

[miss fortune]

please stay on topic?

 

[ChocolateMoose123]

KNOWING THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE | Michael Tymn blog on White Crow Books



Do people know when their time is up?

In her intriguing 2010 book, Messages, Bonnie McEneaney, the wife of one of the victims of 9/11, tells about her husband having some kind of premonitions, or precognition, that his days were numbered. “I’m going to die before you,” Eamon McEneaney told her in a somewhat matter-of-fact manner on September 4, 2001, a week before the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, where Eamon worked in mortgage-backed securities. Bonnie McEneaney says that her husband always believed that he would die young and, in the weeks preceding the disaster, seemed to have a sense that something monumental was immin

A lot of this sounds like PTSD symptom stuff. The belief of dying young. I thought I wouldn't live past 30. Told many people this.

I don't know. If I told someone each day that I was going to die tomorrow, I'd be right once.

 

[Dreamer]

My maternal grandfather was in the hospital for liver cancer, and it might've been the drugs but in the weeks before he died he kept talking about how his father (long dead) was at the door and waiting for him. He would have long conversations with his father saying that he didn't want to go. He would thrash about like someone was trying to pull him. He passed away shortly after.

My maternal grandmother had been hospitalised for problems with her kidneys after being on high bp medication for many years and one night one of my aunts (whom grandma had been living with) dreamt that grandma came home, didn't say anything to her, and went straight to the telephone. When my aunt asked her who she was calling, she smiled gently and said "Dad" (grandpa above). The next day, we heard that she fell in the hospital bathroom and suffered a massive stroke. My family decided not to keep her on life support because she would have no quality of life.. and she passed away soon after.

My paternal grandmother passed away very suddenly; she too had a stroke at home. My cousin who was very young (early teens) was very close to her, and had a dream that she came to visit him and told him to "be good". When my aunt found my grandmother, my cousin already "knew".

I'm a pretty scientific and logical person, but I do believe that there are things that we will never be able to measure or understand.

These instances you shared are so beautiful. I like to find truth in things and to question many facets of life, but one question that is always on my mind, is how such a place as our world, so beautiful, so grand, so eternal, not possibly envisioned and created by a higher being. Further, why is it, that we can see and recognize beauty in our world? Why would recognizing beauty have any benefit in continuing a species? It's questions like these that have me believing that something does exist in the afterlife.