INTP or INTJ?

[DestroyTheSpineless]

Hi all, I'm Alex, 16 years old and I'm from Italy, so you may see some grammar mistakes in this post.

First thing to say: I love music (my favorite bands are Green Day, Ramones, Muse and... Beethoven) and I play the bass and the violin and a little bit the drums. Music is litterally my greatest hobby. I always have a song/riff/melody in my head and it causes me to drum my fingers on the table. I have absolute pitch and I'm obsessed with "finding the right musical note". Briefly, I'm a weirdo in this field.

I've been interested in MBTI for about 18 months, 531 days, to be precise. Yes, I love dates. All of my important events are stored in my mind. I don't truy to remember those numbers. They just come up when I need it. I have a strange relationship with numbers. It's like I see pictures of them in my head, well, not exactly pictures, but I see them. And it makes it easier to do fast calculations in my brain.

The first test I took, on 23/12/2015 was the one on 16personalities.com. It typed me as INTJ. My I, N and T were and are very strong. But I'm still looking for my last letter, the most important one. I tried literally anything. Big 5 (J correlates with conscentiousness), Enneagram, 16PF. I even tried to understand the MBTI step II. With "experience", I learnt not to take tests too seriously and instead investigating by myself with functions, but it didn't help. I prefer both Ti and Ni (maybe because I misunderstand some of their traits) and Fe is surely the function I struggle to use in a costructive way. I've also read some of Wilde's theory on functions, where he classifies people with two top introverted functions as "double introvert", but what I really need is to know whether I'm a J or a P.

Here are some of my traits:

- I'm ALWAYS punctual. For example, I always take the first bus to get to school early (mainly to avoid the "crowd effect"). I feel guilty for not arriving on time since I'd get really angry if I had to wait for someone;

- I don't study that much. Max 2 hours. I make sure everything important is finished, but if not, I'm very good at improvising;

- My desk is often messy, although my schoolmates thinks I'm organized;

- I make schemes and maps for ANYTHING;

- I hate rules, but I'm the first one to respect them;

- My motto is "least pain, most gain";

- I don't like changes. I prefer something stable;

- When I do something, I'm not happy if it isn't perfect;

- Around strangers I'm very serious and silent, but with people I know (friends and not), I'm open and eager to help them;

- I always have a mental map of things to do for my day. I follow consistently only my plans about school, but with leisure time I often end up doing something different;

- I love multitasking. For example now I have 8 windows open on Google Chrome;

- Competition > Cooperation;

- I'm way too skeptical even with my closest friends.

Things that may help you:

- I'm an Enneagram 5w4. The 5 is VERY strong here;

- In Socionics, I'm still deciding between ILI-INTp and LII-INTj. The majority of people on forums typed me as ILI.

- Talking about Big 5, my results are: High Openness, High Conscentiousnesss, Average Neuroticism, Low Extraversion, Low Agreeableness.

What do you think? Am I an INTJ or an INTP? This is my last chance.

If you need any further information don't be afraid to ask.

 

[Shiver]

If your Big 5 scores and their correlations are any indicator, high Conscientiousness would point to a J preference, although that's not definite. Have you ever taken the official MBTI?

 

[DestroyTheSpineless]

If your Big 5 scores and their correlations are any indicator, high Conscientiousness would point to a J preference, although that's not definite. Have you ever taken the official MBTI?

Do you mean the 93 question form. Yeah, I found it somewhere online. It confirmed my strong preferences toward I, N and T and it showed a slight preference of P over J. I remember that there was a question about the P/J dichotomy, something like this:
"you plan:
J - Most of your things to do;
P - Only what is necessary."
My answer was the latter, also because it describes perfectly my approach to planning.

 

[ceecee]

INTP due to your user name.

 

[kotoshinohaisha]

Intj because i like J

 

[DestroyTheSpineless]

Just to add: personally I feel that the Ti/Ne process fits me better than the Ni/Te. Although I may be efficient and quick to do things, I don't think that my Te is that strong. I don't like to be in power. I can seem a bit cold and apathic, but certainly not dry when interacting with people. Also, I'm not straight with people: I value the truth first, but at times it can be difficult for me to state it clearly because I don't want to offend.

 

[tchudak]

Just to add: personally I feel that the Ti/Ne process fits me better than the Ni/Te. Although I may be efficient and quick to do things, I don't think that my Te is that strong. I don't like to be in power. I can seem a bit cold and apathic, but certainly not dry when interacting with people. Also, I'm not straight with people: I value the truth first, but at times it can be difficult for me to state it clearly because I don't want to offend.

This may be because you are introverted. I don't see much correlation with Ti-Ne vs Ni-Te in your statement.