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[Traditional Enneagram] Forum Statistics - % of Enneagram Types

EJCC

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I'm pretty sure this is a myth propagated by people on typology forums. Their logic generally seems to be: There aren't many SJs around here, therefore SJs must not like forums.
Nah, the logic is more complicated. More like: SJs aren't nerds, and only nerds like forums, so SJs don't like forums. Or: SJs obsess about being productive, and forums aren't terribly productive (in a way that's quick and easy to notice; it's a little more subtle imo), therefore SJs don't like forums because they think they're a waste of time. Or: "I can make friends in real life; why would I want to make friends online?", is a pretty stereotypical SJ answer.
 

Jeffster

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Alas, the reason is that your Enneagram type is listed as 7", which might be some other meaningful number to you but doesn't match with the two options I searched for which were 7w6 and 7w8.

Several of the online tests for Enneagram don't give you a "w" anything answer. Now, I haven't searched so I don't know how many other people have just one number without a w but I wouldn't think I would be the only one. The 7" is a very subtle joke. ;)


I'm pretty sure this is a myth propagated by people on typology forums. Their logic generally seems to be: There aren't many SJs around here, therefore SJs must not like forums.

Yeah, you're right. I know of forums with tons of SJs. http://www.disboards.com/ is CRAWLING with them, just to give one example. There are tons on parenting forums as well, and those related to business, politics, etc. Now, forums related to theoretical subjects, yes, you're not likely to find a large number of SJs on those.
 

SD45T-2

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Nah, the logic is more complicated. More like: SJs aren't nerds, and only nerds like forums, so SJs don't like forums. Or: SJs obsess about being productive, and forums aren't terribly productive (in a way that's quick and easy to notice; it's a little more subtle imo), therefore SJs don't like forums because they think they're a waste of time. Or: "I can make friends in real life; why would I want to make friends online?", is a pretty stereotypical SJ answer.

Yeah, you're right. I know of forums with tons of SJs. http://www.disboards.com/ is CRAWLING with them, just to give one example. There are tons on parenting forums as well, and those related to business, politics, etc. Now, forums related to theoretical subjects, yes, you're not likely to find a large number of SJs on those.
Exactly.

I'm pretty sure SJs are fairly common on forums for cars, guns, law enforcement, cycling, railroading, etc.
 

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Seems like a pretty distributed set of types there.
 
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EJCC

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The (comparatively) even distribution of Sixes is very interesting!
 

Phoenix

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This is such an informative thread :)

Don't have much else to contribute. :p
 

small.wonder

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Ha. I think it's pretty funny how strongly 4's show up here though it really makes sense. One of the main characteristics of a 4 is a deep desire to know and learn about their identity (which explains why so many 4's have A) taken the enneagram and B) pursued more knowlege of it here). Pretty telling really. That is why I'm here after all. -^_^-
 

RaptorWizard

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How strongly correlated is ISTP with type 5?
 

Animal

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This is the sort of endeavor that would attract 4s and 5s, is it not? Not only is it an internet forum, but also a search for personal identity (which would appeal to the 4) and a way to intellectualize people's personal choices, emotions, and motives (which would appeal to the 5).

What surprises me, however, is that the population overall is so low with 3s and 8s, and so high with 5s? I always thought 5s would be a much rarer type than 8s. Maybe it's just that they are more likely to hide in their rooms? =p
 

uumlau

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This is the sort of endeavor that would attract 4s and 5s, is it not? Not only is it an internet forum, but also a search for personal identity (which would appeal to the 4) and a way to intellectualize people's personal choices, emotions, and motives (which would appeal to the 5).

What surprises me, however, is that the population overall is so low with 3s and 8s, and so high with 5s? I always thought 5s would be a much rarer type than 8s. Maybe it's just that they are more likely to hide in their rooms? =p

3s and 8s like to show their mastery, more or less, but only 5s think of mastery in an "intellectual" way. If you're a "real 3" or a "real 8", you're not thinking of "mastering" a bunch of nerds on a forum, you're running a company, or you're trying to be the top salesman, or you're otherwise trying to demonstrate to real people in your real life how wonderfully successful (3) or in control (8) you are. In particular, there are no material gains to be had on this forum, which to most 3s or 8s means no real success or control to be had.

Type 5s, however, are perfectly happy with the satisfaction of proving how stupid other people are ... ;)
 

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100/9 = %11.11_

so it seems like the forum statistics are leveling out quite well.
 

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3s and 8s like to show their mastery, more or less, but only 5s think of mastery in an "intellectual" way. If you're a "real 3" or a "real 8", you're not thinking of "mastering" a bunch of nerds on a forum, you're running a company, or you're trying to be the top salesman, or you're otherwise trying to demonstrate to real people in your real life how wonderfully successful (3) or in control (8) you are. In particular, there are no material gains to be had on this forum, which to most 3s or 8s means no real success or control to be had.

Type 5s, however, are perfectly happy with the satisfaction of proving how stupid other people are ... ;)

Yes, but no one is that one-dimensional. For instance, I came to the forum because I'm writing a novel and I wanted to broaden my perspective on some psychological thinking. This way, my characters would potentially be more fleshed out. Also, I wanted to understand myself more, so that in working on these novels, I would be less likely to "get in my own way." There are still goals, and reasons for "real 8s" and "real 3s" to join a forum like this. 3s are very interested in self-improvement. And don't forget, 8s have a LINE TO 5, so a very likely strategy for a disintegrated/ uncomfortable 8, especially after an event that lead to major failures at work (which was the case for me) would be to be isolated, join an internet forum, and strategize to try to figure things out.

Even if you forget MBTI and personal interests, and stick to enneagram only, there are explanations for why a 3 or an 8 would join such a forum; but 5s would certainly be more likely for the reason you mentioned. That's why the statistic was not surprising to me.
 

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Type 5s, however, are perfectly happy with the satisfaction of proving how stupid other people are ... ;)
LOL and so true XD

Although I think it's in general common for people new to enneagram to mistype as a 5 if they are for example an MBTI NT type part because most tests are so bad. So I personally always take self-reported statistics such as these with a grain of sand. After debunking the enneagram 5 on PersC and arriving at the sad conclusion we're only a handful of actual 5s, I've come to believe it's just a fairly common mistype, especially for the withdrawn types who are interested in intellectual endeavors.
 

uumlau

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LOL and so true XD

Although I think it's in general common for people new to enneagram to mistype as a 5 if they are for example an MBTI NT type part because most tests are so bad. So I personally always take self-reported statistics such as these with a grain of sand. After debunking the enneagram 5 on PersC and arriving at the sad conclusion we're only a handful of actual 5s, I've come to believe it's just a fairly common mistype, especially for the withdrawn types who are interested in intellectual endeavors.

Yeah, that's my experience with the type 5. My own Enneagram experience is full of weirdness, cuz I sort of typed as "everything." It was easier to say what I was not: I'm not 2 or 4 or 6 or 7. Yet people would "read" me as a 5w6, because I'm an INTJ, and the INTJ personality most coincides with 5w6 out of the 18 possible Enneagram X-wing-Y combinations. (Star Wars pun intended.) I'm really a type 9, which people would say that explains how I could be INTJ but not really "vibe" like most INTJs (who tend to be 5s, 6s, 8s and 1s).

In fact, I ran into a really interesting 9 vs 5 comparison FROM THIS LINK:

Misidentifying Fives and Nines

A detailed comparison and contrast between Fives and Nines is warranted because so many Nines mistakenly think that they are Fives; typically, the misidentification almost never happens the other way around. Particularly if they are well educated and intelligent, average male Nines tend to think that they are Fives. (As noted in the discussion of Twos, average female Nines tend to think that they are Twos.)

Of all the personality types, Nines have the most difficulty identifying which type they are because their sense of self is undefined. Average Nines have little sense of who they are apart from those they have identified with; hence, they are usually at a loss to know where to begin to find their type. (As we have seen, either they think they are Fives or Twos or they see a little of themselves in all the types and make no further effort at identifying themselves. If they have no guidance, Nines in this predicament usually shrug their shoulders and give up on the Enneagram and more important, on acquiring self-knowledge.)

Even relatively healthy Nines still have a somewhat diffused sense of self because it is based on their capacity to be receptive to others—and to be unself-conscious. Moreover, average Nines have problems identifying their type because doing so arouses anxiety, something completely anathema to them. Whatever disturbs their peace of mind is ignored or met with a blind eye. They avoid introspection in favor of entertaining comforting notions about themselves, whatever they may be. Maintaining an undefined understanding of themselves, and thus, maintaining their emotional comfort, is more important to average Nines than acquiring deeper insights.

None of this is true of Fives, and the two types are opposites in many ways. Nines are gentle, easygoing, patient, receptive, and accommodating, whereas Fives are intense, strong-minded, argumentative, contentious, and highly resistant to the influence of others. Nines like people and trust them; perhaps at times they are too trusting. By contrast, average Fives are suspicious of people and are anything but trusting, perhaps at times too cynical and resistant. Both types are among the three withdrawn types of the Enneagram, and (as we have seen with Fours and Nines), there are genuine similarities between them, although only superficial ones (PT, 433-36).

Despite their similarities, the main point of confusion for Nines arises around the notion of "thinking." Nines think they are Fives because they think they have profound ideas: therefore, they must be Fives.

Part of the problem stems from the fact that individuals of both types can be highly intelligent, although as a group Fives are probably the most intelligent of the nine personality types. (When Nines are highly intelligent, they can be as brilliant as Fives, although their intellectual prowess is compartmentalized. They are brilliant at work but unfocused and inattentive everywhere else, whereas Fives are focused and attentive everywhere all the time.) Although intelligence can be manifested in different ways, being intelligent does not make Nines intellectuals, just as thinking does not make them thinkers. As we have seen, the pattern as a whole (and the motivations) must be taken into consideration, not one or two traits in isolation. Since all the types think in one way or another, thinking alone, with no further distinction, is not a sufficient basis for a personality diagnosis.

The fundamental difference between the thinking of Nines and that of Fives is that Nines are impressionistic, involved with generalities, imaginative ruminations, and fanciful situations. Nines typically do not concern themselves with details, nor are they usually good at following up once they have acted. By contrast, the thinking of Fives is highly focused, penetrating, and almost microscopic in the narrowness of its frame of reference. Fives love details, losing themselves in research, scholarship, and complex intellectual pursuits. They think in depth, concentrating so much that they block out other perceptions (eventually to their detriment). By contrast, even brilliant Nines tend to have problems concentrating; they also tend to lose interest quickly and to allow their attention to drift off when they become bored or anxious.

Nines tend to spin grand, sweeping, idealistic solutions to problems, while Fives tend to speculate on problems, then on the problems that their problems have raised, then on those problems, ad infinitum. Nines may be gifted storytellers, able to communicate simply and effectively to others, even to children. Fives usually communicate to only a few or keep their ideas entirely to themselves. (Moreover, their ideas may be so complicated that they are difficult to communicate to all but other specialists.) Nines usually do not consider the consequences of their actions; Fives are extremely interested in predicting the consequences of every action. Nines idealize the world and create imaginary worlds in which good always triumphs over evil; Fives analyze the real world and create horrifying scenarios in which evil usually triumphs over good or exists in tension with it. Nines simplify; Fives complexify. Nines look to the past; Fives to the future. Nines are fantasists; Fives are theorists. Nines are disengaged; Fives are detached. Nines are utopians; Fives are nihilists. Nines are optimists; Fives are pessimists. Nines are open; Fives are resistant. Nines are non-threatening and nonjudgmental; Fives are defensive and contentious. Nines are at peace; Fives are in tension. Nines end in dissociation; Fives in paranoia.

Comparisons and contrasts such as these could be multiplied almost indefinitely because, while these two types are such opposites, they are also paradoxically similar. What they have in common is the tendency to ask "What if?" questions. The difference is in their response: Nines tend to ruminate on their fantasies, while Fives attempt to see if their ideas could come true. The Nine's ideas usually involve a single insight that, while true enough, is often impractical and goes nowhere. For instance, a Nine may think that the way to world peace is "for everyone to love one another." While this is doubtlessly true, the problem not addressed is how to get everyone to love one another. A Five wondering about the same problem would write a treatise on world peace after doing exhaustive historical research, eventually erecting a grand theory of peace. (The Five's ideas may also come to nothing, but at least they are pursued, and practical results may eventually come of them.) To give another example, a Nine might wonder what it is like to fly and make up a story about it. A Five might wonder how to fly and invent an airplane or do research on birds or design a rocket.

In short, Nines have an active fantasy life and think that they have deep thoughts. Sometimes they do, of course, although the thinking of intelligent, well-educated Nines tends to be in the direction of simplifying reality and cutting through abstruse thickets to get at the kernel of truth beneath. Nines tend to see things the way they want them to be; they reinterpret reality to make it more comforting and less threatening, simpler and less daunting. By contrast, the thinking of Fives is complex. By attempting to arrive at a grand unifying theory that encompasses and explains everything, average Fives end up involved in increasing complications and abstractions. Their thought is focused on specifics, often highly technical and concerned with foresight and the consequences of acting one way rather than another. But at an extreme, Fives risk seeing reality not as it is but as a projection of their preoccupations and fears. They distort their perceptions of reality so that reality seems more negative and threatening than it actually is.

Nines feel at ease in the world, and their style of thinking reflects their unconscious desire to merge with the world. Fives are afraid of being overwhelmed by the world, and their intellectual efforts are an unconscious defense against the world, an attempt to master it intellectually. There is a world of difference between these two types since they see the world so differently. Compare Charles Darwin (a Five) and Walt Disney (a Nine), Albert Einstein (a Five) and Jim Henson (a Nine) to understand the similarities and differences between these two types more clearly.
 

Galena

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It looks like the previous dominance of 4s and 5s may be decreasing and percentage of 6s is increasing. Thoughts as to why?

Sixes are one of the most common types and a type that can easily mistype as just about anything. I would guess an increase in sixes is due to formerly mistyped sixes getting their type ironed out. Self-identified fours and fives the forum had the most of in general, so those groups likely had the most mistypes in them just as a factor of being the majority.
 

Entropic

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[MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION], I think that's a decent way of comparing the two, especially in terms of dichotomies. I also second and no offense to 9s but, in contrast to 5, their thinking is quite simple. It's not simple in the way the 8 is simple, but simple because 9s tend to take a lot of logical shortcuts to arrive at their solution. The example about world peace is a good one and I can definitely see a 9 say such a thing. While I know that the term to describe the 9 mentality is psychospiritual, I tend to refer to this kind of thinking as intellectual laziness. 9s have this haziness to their thinking that makes it hard if not impossible for them to penetrate something to a deeper level. It's like they only look at the surface and think that's all there is to thinking but they do not concern themselves with truly and fully understanding how something genuinely operates. This is something I contrast as a head type find incredibly frustrating when it comes to discussions with 9s because while I keep pointing out to them how to delve deeper, they fail to see this and tend to often a bit too easily fall back on their blase perception.

For example, I find that many 9s in typology tend to too easily look at superficial traits and behaviors instead of understanding what drives and motivates said behaviors. Yeah, sorry, I just got a big axe to pick with 9s lately... I don't inherently dislike or hate all 9s, but they tend to frustrate me a lot when it comes to theory.

And I do want to stress that the above does not make a 9 stupid or unintellectual... It's just so frustrating for me as a 5 to engage a 9 in debate for this reason, probably even more so because I'm a sexual 5 and I love my ideas and to discuss them in depth and 9s just tend to be unable to offer me the satisfaction I seek in terms of sexual energy because they can't go deep enough and even if this occurs with a sexual 9, I think there's a lot of repelling going on because the sexual 9 wants to merge with me as a person (if I actually understand the sxual 9 subtype correctly, almost kind of in an Fe-way) but I'm more married to my ideas. The sexual focus is just so very, very different.
 
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