proteanmix
Plumage and Moult
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OK, that title sounds superproper but I found something very interesting in this Slate article about how Pres. Obama could possibly rewrite the face of rap music.
The reason why this struck me as interesting is that I think Jay-Z is an ENTJ and Obama an ENFJ. I've thought about why ENxJs seem to be so hard to distinguish from ESxJs. I think the bolded parts above give an interesting clue about extroverted judgment and Ni.
I've always thought about being a politician or since I was a teenager and became active in student government. When I went to college I got all cynical about the point of government and civic engagement. My political inclinations became more revolutionary and extreme during that time. Now that I'm out of college and the constancy of having everything politicized that thinking is still with me but it's calmed down a lot. I know more or less think of how I can maneuver within the system, but not necessarily destroying the system itself. Once it becomes clear that the system is dysfunctional, dilapidated and needs to be dismantled I'll be the first one in line with my sledgehammer.
What I think is since ExxJs are all dominant extroverted judgment Te and Fe tends to create the status quo. I wrote about this in a thread I started a while ago about the differences between conventions and traditions, but nobody commented.:steam: I said that Fe and Te are conventional in the sense that they use commonly agreed upon standards to make decisions and deduce logic.
So usually when an ENxJ encounters a system it doesn't particularly baffle them why the system is there or what it's purpose is. An ESxJ if it's a system they agree with will uphold the system. I think an ESxJ will dismantle systems too but they tend to drive it straight down the middle. If the system is built using extroverted judgment rationality the ENxJ can plainly see what it's purpose is. It's the element of gaming a system that I'm interested in. I wonder if this is tertiary Se. Socionics (I prefer how Socionics defines the functions) defines Se as:
So you take an ENxJ with dominant extroverted judgment. We built this city so it's not unfamiliar terrain. Taking this literally, I love knowing 15 different ways to get to one place. Even when I'm driving and see a rather large traffic jam I'll almost immediately conjur up a map of the city in my head and start figuring out alternative routes. Take for example the social hierarchy at work. I see problems with the hierarchy and I often break my toes kicking it, but once I think about it: What is it's purpose, what are the alternatives, is it going away, can it be restructured, etc. the bottom line for me becomes is it going anywhere and the answer is no. It may change forms and be replaced with something else but it's always going to be that something else, which will have to maneuvered as well. So then I wonder how I can get around it. Which is where the knowing the shortcuts and underground passageways around the obstacle becomes is so important to me.
The reason why this struck me as interesting is that I think Jay-Z is an ENTJ and Obama an ENFJ. I've thought about why ENxJs seem to be so hard to distinguish from ESxJs. I think the bolded parts above give an interesting clue about extroverted judgment and Ni.
I've always thought about being a politician or since I was a teenager and became active in student government. When I went to college I got all cynical about the point of government and civic engagement. My political inclinations became more revolutionary and extreme during that time. Now that I'm out of college and the constancy of having everything politicized that thinking is still with me but it's calmed down a lot. I know more or less think of how I can maneuver within the system, but not necessarily destroying the system itself. Once it becomes clear that the system is dysfunctional, dilapidated and needs to be dismantled I'll be the first one in line with my sledgehammer.
What I think is since ExxJs are all dominant extroverted judgment Te and Fe tends to create the status quo. I wrote about this in a thread I started a while ago about the differences between conventions and traditions, but nobody commented.:steam: I said that Fe and Te are conventional in the sense that they use commonly agreed upon standards to make decisions and deduce logic.
So usually when an ENxJ encounters a system it doesn't particularly baffle them why the system is there or what it's purpose is. An ESxJ if it's a system they agree with will uphold the system. I think an ESxJ will dismantle systems too but they tend to drive it straight down the middle. If the system is built using extroverted judgment rationality the ENxJ can plainly see what it's purpose is. It's the element of gaming a system that I'm interested in. I wonder if this is tertiary Se. Socionics (I prefer how Socionics defines the functions) defines Se as:
So you take an ENxJ with dominant extroverted judgment. We built this city so it's not unfamiliar terrain. Taking this literally, I love knowing 15 different ways to get to one place. Even when I'm driving and see a rather large traffic jam I'll almost immediately conjur up a map of the city in my head and start figuring out alternative routes. Take for example the social hierarchy at work. I see problems with the hierarchy and I often break my toes kicking it, but once I think about it: What is it's purpose, what are the alternatives, is it going away, can it be restructured, etc. the bottom line for me becomes is it going anywhere and the answer is no. It may change forms and be replaced with something else but it's always going to be that something else, which will have to maneuvered as well. So then I wonder how I can get around it. Which is where the knowing the shortcuts and underground passageways around the obstacle becomes is so important to me.
