yes, and they also focus on the positive, glamorous aspects of the type as opposed to the negative tendencies, which are really the more important.Enneagram texts like to make their descriptions more fancy and unique than they really are
well, it's not that simple (many 4s, 5s and 8s are very opinionated too). I think a 1 is someone who sees themselves as an authority figure meant to reign in the chaos that is reality.A type One in the simplest sense is just a very opinionated individual.
I think a 1 is someone who sees themselves as an authority figure meant to reign in the chaos that is reality.
I think a 1 is someone who sees themselves as an authority figure meant to reign in the chaos that is reality.
I think the hardest thing to get a 1 to admit is all the judgmental/critical energy, seething anger and resentment they really feel on the inside. [MENTION=4945]EJCC[/MENTION] put it nicely: "1s are 8s in chains"
Good luck trying to get a type one to admit to that without sugarcoating what it really is . The chaos you speak of will be dependent on their instincts.
Exactly. I forgot I'd said that! I stick with that description, though, especially with type 1 Thinkers; from talking to, say, INFJ Ones on the forum, I get the impression that we feel very differently about our anger. The INFJs experience a lot more 4-ness and would rater relish 1-style martyrdom, while the Ts (myself included) would rather take action with well-channelled anger/wrath (as long as it's productive and inconspicuous). Note the Avengers reference in my user title as an example of 8/1 overlap.I think the hardest thing to get a 1 to admit is all the judgmental/critical energy, seething anger and resentment they really feel on the inside. [MENTION=4945]EJCC[/MENTION] put it nicely: "1s are 8s in chains"
Enneagram 6 and 8 descriptions are the least accurate, though 1 probably takes third
I found Ichazo´s description of type 1 very accurate....
The INFJs experience a lot more 4-ness and would rater relish 1-style martyrdom, while the Ts (myself included) would rather take action with well-channelled anger/wrath (as long as it's productive and inconspicuous).
In retrospect, I think that's why I tested as an 8, the first time I took the test. The way I'd be in a perfect world would be like an 8 with 1 motivations.
PS: we have the same tritype
... the bold with a typo in it. How embarrassing.Mind giving an example of the bold?
That makes sense. I'm similar in that regard and I think that's why I always mistyped as an 8, when I took the test.I actually like the 1's are like 8s in chains; it's a very concise way to describe how I am with my anger but I do feel a little that my chain is a bit longer than most 1s I've come across online. I've either integrated, or the effects of my instinctual subtype, or the 7 influence from my tri-type. Lol can't tell from this point and I've pretty much scratched out my potentially being an ID type. I've mistyped as 3w4 or 8w7 plenty of times in the past knowing for sure that those were not right.
Could you elaborate a little bit on what you mean by this? (Unless it's too personal, in which case I respect your privacy.)I am not at liberty for whatever damn reason to exert my deepest desires, though sometimes I wish I were.
I relate to this a lot, too.For me I will only succumb to anger when I find it necessary. I see it nothing more than an adrenaline rush to get things done. The thing is, there's a lot of things to get done HAH!
Very interesting!! Thanks for posting this.I suspect testing as an 8w7 has more to do with how I don't typically align myself with morals more than I do with my own personal integrity. I believe most moral systems are too confining and easily corruptible. Rules are made only to establish control/order and not necessarily a means to establish what is right or inspire genuine understanding.
But then I realized what made me a 1 is my strict adherence to my personal conduct of what is right/wrong through objectivity. It's how I've been able to stay 'blameless' and what I believe has produced the most effective results when confronted with an obstacle.
I was going to say some Italian Porte or Oozo, but that definitely works too (fuck low quality alcohol, I don't drink at all currently because I can't afford anything quality LOL)Let's cheers with some 12 year old(+) scotch/whiskey--- that's more my style ;P
Could you elaborate a little bit on what you mean by this? (Unless it's too personal, in which case I respect your privacy.)
Cool -- I look forward to reading it and posting in it.[MENTION=4945]EJCC[/MENTION], thanks for sharing. It's definitely interesting and will probably poke around with the differences sometime in the future in a different thread examining the topic.
I wonder if some of that is Se, in addition to the 9 wing; the bolded is a thought process that I can't remember ever experiencing. The out-of-body aspect sounds 9-ish, from what little I know about Nines.Hmm...are you by any chance aware of your integration/disintegration patterns? For me, the example you gave of your mother would only happen should I ever feel that everything is lost. I've only hit this point once in my life it lasted about 2 weeks. I remember willfully forcing my body out of it through excessive running and fasting LOL. I wanted to feel the Earth below my feet and the soreness of my muscles so that I knew that my body was still there. It was as though I was using pain and hunger to prove my presence, and if I was still present in my own body then all cannot be lost. Perhaps this is more of a 1w9 reaction(?); conflict between superego-ego. This too is a type of anger I recognize. Anger that forces my body to submit to me (if that makes sense).
Every type 1 I know (myself included) has gotten the wrong result on an Enneagram test and then mistyped for an extended period of time. I thought I was a type 6 for several months, and my type 1 roommate spent a while thinking she was a type 5.
I blame this on really, really bad descriptions of type 1, online. I initially ruled out being a One because of
1) the focus on "morality"*, which I don't relate to at all;
2) the idea that we are defined by "resentment"*, which I am not; and
3) the idea that our greatest fear is "corruption"*, which I am not all that afraid of.
There is no doubt in my mind that I'm a One. I may be one of the best examples of type 1w2 on the forum! And yet I don't relate to the basic tenants of the type??
Any thoughts from other type Ones on this? Or from people who know Ones pretty well? Is this a problem with most Enneagram descriptions, and I just didn't notice? Insert ideas/thoughts/bitching here.
* In order for the descriptions to represent me, I would replace the quoted words/phrases with, respectively, "fairness", "repression", and "hypocrisy". This may seem like small changes, but they make a pretty huge difference!
When I take enneagram tests, and good ones, I will come out as a 1w2. I think the core reason is I have a huge perfectionistic streak, and if the test is geared to that, it will come out. If it doesn't I'll probably test as an 8, and occasionally 3 or 6.
As far as relating to 1 descriptions, I have only ever partially related. In my case, mostly because of the anger bits. For many years I was blind to my own anger, and I didn't consider myself to be an angry person. Largely because my definition of anger was essentially summarized as someone in the kitchen screaming and throwing dishes out the window. I don't do that. Lower level stuff to me was "irritated" or "ticked" or "miffed". Turns out that all of that stuff essentially is anger, and I am in a near constant state of that, and I do instinctively keep it in. Being an ENFJ complicates this because I want to let that stuff OUT, but an equal but opposite of me says "you must keep it in because it's the appropriate/right thing to do", and man does it eat at me like no ones business. It's difficult to say at this point how much.
I also have never liked the headline fear of being corrupt/evil. I have never really related to that. When someone says that to me it reads like "I fear I will suddenly lose my morals and become a terrible person". Like, yeah no that's never going to happen. I have however had moments in my life where I thought to myself "my wiring as a person means I am a fundementally horrible person" which was AWFUL and made me feel like there was no point to living or existing. I don't actively fear that though. It seems silly. It's honestly kind of hard for me to pin down what my biggest fears are (aside from disease which is not applicable in the theory). In the context of being a 1, my biggest "negative" drive is to be a good virtuous person because if I don't I am wrong, unworthy of good, and it's just a thing I can't go against. It's simply a fundemenal. I suppose it means I fear being corrupt/evil? It's not so much a fear as it is a "I can't do that, it's just not ok".
@Virtual ghost, your bold is pretty accurate to me. 1's have very strong judgements, trust them and think them to be right, and they want to do something with it. If for some reason they can't, they get quite angry. 1's are really practically driven.
I think the hardest thing to get a 1 to admit is all the judgmental/critical energy, seething anger and resentment they really feel on the inside. [MENTION=4945]EJCC[/MENTION] put it nicely: "1s are 8s in chains"
Every type 1 I know (myself included) has gotten the wrong result on an Enneagram test and then mistyped for an extended period of time. I thought I was a type 6 for several months, and my type 1 roommate spent a while thinking she was a type 5.
I blame this on really, really bad descriptions of type 1, online. I initially ruled out being a One because of
1) the focus on "morality"*, which I don't relate to at all;
2) the idea that we are defined by "resentment"*, which I am not; and
3) the idea that our greatest fear is "corruption"*, which I am not all that afraid of.
There is no doubt in my mind that I'm a One. I may be one of the best examples of type 1w2 on the forum! And yet I don't relate to the basic tenants of the type?? Any thoughts from other type Ones on this? Or from people who know Ones pretty well? Is this a problem with most Enneagram descriptions, and I just didn't notice? Insert ideas/thoughts/bitching here.
* In order for the descriptions to represent me, I would replace the * marked words/phrases with, respectively, "fairness", "repression", and "hypocrisy". This may seem like small changes, but they make a pretty huge difference!
Exactly. I forgot I'd said that! I stick with that description, though, especially with type 1 Thinkers; from talking to, say, INFJ Ones on the forum, I get the impression that we feel very differently about our anger. The INFJs experience a lot more 4-ness and would rater relish 1-style martyrdom, while the Ts (myself included) would rather take action with well-channelled anger/wrath (as long as it's productive and inconspicuous). Note the Avengers reference in my user title as an example of 8/1 overlap.
In retrospect, I think that's why I tested as an 8, the first time I took the test. The way I'd be in a perfect world would be like an 8 with 1 motivations.
You have a point here. Those are better words, probably. The reason why "hypocrisy" came to mind so quickly, for me, is that the past few times I've been verbally angry at myself in front of other people, I've vented about being a hypocrite; going against my values when my values are so important to me. But I think "wrongness" covers that too, as well as an umbrella of other topics.
I agree with the first sentence but not the second -- since it's so, so much more than being opinionated. But if I were to simplify type One like that, I'd say that we are essentially just people with obscenely high standards, that we compare absolutely everything to. We are more in touch with Plato's concept of "telos" than any other type.
This makes a lot of sense. Hey, I tested as type 8, too! Seriously. I read it and I was like "I am so much more fun than this! And I'm not always up in people's grills!"