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Eight of Cups

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One of the things that Annie was right about, and she wasn't right about many things, is that I am not boyfriend material. I did tell her that from the start. And when we saw Jon Stewart, and the warm-up cock picked me out of the crowd, and asked if she was my girlfriend, and I didn't know how to answer -- I think that was my mistake, comforting her. Until that moment, it was so clear. I was me; she was she; we were the best of friends. The desire was there, but we were equals and ourselves. From that night on, I was a thing to her and ever so naturally she was a thing to me. Or so she would have it. To me, she was still Annie. She always would be, to the moment I gave her those final gifts and walked out her door.

Now, I don't know what she is. Some troll in the cellar. Every night when I was young, the fire house would give out an ungodly wail to signal eight o'clock. My parents called it "the Goowhacker"; if I wasn't in bed by eight, the Goowhacker would come for me -- I could hear its call, and know my time was near. I understand with my sister, my father would go down to the basement and pound on the ceiling. "Oompa-Loompa," he would chant, "doompadee-doo!" "Oh no," my mother would play along. "You must get to bed before the Oompa-Loompas get you!"

Is this normal childrearing technique, I wonder?

Either way, it seems from a young age the boogieman has been ingrained on me. "Those are the kind of windows faces look in at," Withnail says. I find it interesting that he makes the distinction. Some other day I must relate to you my history of panic attacks. Or, as Annie would call them, temper tantrums.

Now at least my boogieman has an earthly face -- though that may be little real comfort, as a specter would hardly keep me out of the Whole Foods or cause me to scrutinize from afar every woman of a certain height and build, in case I need to abruptly change my route. All a specter would give me is interesting stories to tell, perhaps in exchange for a few years of my life. For all the good those will probably do me.

But she was right. I'm no boyfriend, and I don't know that I ever can be. Right now, I'm not sure what to make of that. There are two paths to consider; let's take the less intensive, and clarify that this is not in itself a value judgment; to some extent, and I'm not sure what extent that might be, it's a question of semantics. Annie was never good with semantics, you see.

My understanding of romance, and amorous relationship, and love -- it's all of my own device. If your idea of intimacy comes from overzealous Polish aunts and Hollywood and cheap homoerotic novels, I can see how my model might seem both anarchic and boring. (That is my favorite kind of rebellion.) My idea is that people are who they are, the way you feel for a person is individual to that person, and you appreciate who you love for precisely who that person is -- strengths and weaknesses both. Each person carves out his or her own unique niche in one's life, shaped and justified by that person's merits.

I really don't see the point of playing Mad Libs, slotting people into predefined places in your life, and expecting them to fulfill a role you (or more likely someone you never met) dreamed up, years before you ever met the guy. But Annie didn't see it that way. Annie couldn't understand why it took so long for water to boil; her parents' filtered hot tap was instantaneous. Annie broke down in tears if I didn't let her choose the color of our bedsheets. Annie took it as a personal affront that I didn't understand the public transit, first time I went out alone. Annie expects a lot of things.

See, the boogieman begins to emerge. Let's change course, then. We've got our definition; I'm opposed to boyfriend-girlfriend dynamics for their impersonal nature, and the dull objectification they embody. That doesn't mean I object to intimacy, does it?

Well, there I'm not sure. In principle, no. It's fine for other people, so long as they treat each other well. Hell, let's say it's wonderful. Why not. But as for me, what do I want, what can I do, for what am I best suited? Does any of this have a place in my life? If so, what, why, and how? What place? Why does that place exist? And how does any of this work, anyway?

I like being alone. I have trouble abiding even the weakest of demands on my time; even when I'm with someone I enjoy, I can't help but wonder if there isn't something more constructive I could be doing. And I feel tired and my bucket overflows and I want to get far enough away that I can think about what's going on, and maybe start to appreciate it. I always appreciate people better from a distance.

Let's say I get over that. What would I do with a girl, that I can't do in a coffee shop? I don't know. I've been there often enough, and I still don't know. I guess there's sex, but I'm still not sure I understand the point of it. I've never wrapped my head around stamp collecting either.

Even if I figure that out, and get over my aversion to being touched, and everything is fine and dandy and justifies all that investment in Lego bricks, am I really emotionally, mentally, competent to get so entangled? And there we have the real rub. Because I don't think that I am. I don't think I'm anywhere close.

One of the first things they tell you on an airplane is to put on your own oxygen mask before going around, offering help. Sensible enough; you're no good to anyone dead or unconscious. Me, I wouldn't even clock the mask. My sense of self is hard-found and easy-lost. Add another person into the mix -- it needn't even be a person -- and she becomes my point of reference. Everything I am exists in reference to her. She becomes my reason not so much for being as for doing.

And that is not what I need. I don't need to get coiled up in someone else's hair. For that matter, I don't want someone to take my self from me. I need it. I'm still using it. Hell, I'm just now starting to figure out how it works. It's taken me a year of separation and a year of isolation to reclaim some sense of ownership over me, and I'm not about to give this up again without a fight. The boogieman has many forms; I reject them all.

On the other hand, not everyone is looking for a boyfriend.
 

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Very interesting thoughts, Ad. I can relate to a lot of what you say--and I think part of it is the fact that in the end, I'm only compatible with a handful of people on this planet. I can't do all the relationshippy/playing house kind of stuff with most of the population, because it just feels like someone is there to pick at me and demand my attention when I don't have any to spare. But I have met a few men that I'd be willing to do every bit of that for. Circumstances haven't worked out in those cases, but I do know it's possible. *shrugs*
 

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Yes, my filters are maybe up a bit high, but it does seem that when they're there, the important things tend to make it through. Getting used to it all seems mostly a matter of time and tumbling and circumstance.

As an aside, someone I know kept badgering me to cross-post some of these entries to my personal blog. I was reluctant, as even if I were to friend-lock them I figured they would be a little inappropriate. Eventually I gave in and experimented with medium-high reading permissions -- and still the response was much as I expected. That is, everyone completely misconstruing my intent and tone. Someone, in all gravity, started talking to me about seeing a psychiatrist.

Oy. Yeah, I like the reception here better.
 

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wtf? re the psychiatrist comment. That's... odd.
 

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You know how it is, people reading in emotion where it isn't intended. The more clearly you say something, the more people interpret the directness as intensity. Often what I think is fairly neutral, maybe a bit whimsical, seems to come off as a barely-contained mania.

It's frustrating.
 

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I like being alone. I have trouble abiding even the weakest of demands on my time; even when I'm with someone I enjoy, I can't help but wonder if there isn't something more constructive I could be doing. And I feel tired and my bucket overflows and I want to get far enough away that I can think about what's going on, and maybe start to appreciate it. I always appreciate people better from a distance.

Me too. Although I rarely worry about being constructive. Sucks to be INTP...

I really enjoy your writing. Have no idea what that criticism was all about. It's very measured and analytical and restrained with the appropriate amount of humour. About as far from manic as it is possible to be.
But I'm crazy, so don't listen to me. :)
 

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Well. If I can get my thoughts together, there will be more celestial navel-gazing to come. Nothing exciting as regards recent events, so we turn to backstory.
 

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Also I think people may be a little weirded out by the ideas I'm expressing. A while back, I got a few odd comments to what I thought was a fairly innocuous entry:

"Your perspective is one I've always valued but never understood. The rhythms with which you communicate never fail to take me by surprise; the things you place value in are similarly startling."

I was just talking about how I had avoided a band until I felt I could appreciate it on my own terms. Is that so startling? Well, apparently so.

I'm sitting in the library, trying to work, and it's not happening. I can't seem to sit anywhere that noises don't intrude on me -- even wearing headphones. Zurrrr. Not talking about shuffling and pen clicks, either. I mean shrieking children and thumps that shake the floor. I don't know what's going on.
 

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Are you actually as unselfconscious as you seem? I mean, a lot of the INTP (women, especially, it seems) relate to so much of what you say, but I guess we get used to suppressing our own voice, because we know other people will find us weird. Sometimes that's cool. Sometimes, you just don't want to deal with it.
You project a kind of endearing naïveté - I haven't quite figured out how much is persona/writing style and how much is authentic...
 

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I don't really know how to answer that.

I just typed several long paragraphs because it didn't occur to me to ask you to clarify.

I mean. I'm not sure that I'd know where to begin putting on airs. That sounds exhausting.
 

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Today I meant to ask Huckleberry if she thought I was overly self-conscious, but I was so struck with the irony of the question that it never quite came out.

Perhaps that's a yes?

EDIT: I asked her today; she squawked, "What?! No! Who told you that?!"

So. That's her perspective, anyway.
 
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LOL! That's adorable.

EDIT. Sorry, that was rather patronizing. Wasn't meant that way.
 
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That's all right. I'm afraid I still don't know what you're talking about.
 
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