Red Herring
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Have you heard of the extreme male brain theory (Simon Baron-Cohen)?
Humorously enough, in the last new pop personality system we discussed here -- the one that attached one of four archetypes to one of four biochemicals (dopamine, testosterone, estrogen, and I think serotonin) -- the Director type correlates most to NT and is the one attached to testosterone.
I've been accused of having more....
Me three.Orangey said:Me too.
Yes. My tentative theory is that NTs were exposed to more testosterone in the womb when the basic brain pattern was laid down (this is fairly easy to gage with 2d:4d ratio). This "masculinization" predisposes them to autistic spectrum disorders (according to Baron-Cohen). INTs are over-represented when it comes to ASDs.Have you heard of the extreme male brain theory (Simon Baron-Cohen)?
There does seem to be this odd discrepancy whereby male NTs are often less typically masculine and female NTs more so. I can think of a few reasons for that (both biochemical and sociological) but it would be pure speculation.
Have you heard of the extreme male brain theory (Simon Baron-Cohen)?
Just an another entp crazy thought... Maybe because we born with less testosterone than others, we all had a childhood with a lack of interest and energy in sports, and prefering to stay reading, daydreaming, thinking, solitary stuff, etc... and grew and develop a personality that favours thinking over doing, mind over body (at least in my case)
dont get me wrong, I enjoy playing basketball, swimming, pingpong, once in a while, but I prefer staying indoors and stimulate my mind
But I always wanted to try skydiving
Maybe it's just Se-deficient types this happens to? SJs and NPs?
My father had a full beard when he was 18. I'm in my mid twenties and I still can't grow a full beard. But it's common these days. At least in Norway it is. The ones that can grow a full beard as young adult are in the tiny box, the rest of us who still look like we're fifteen at the age of 25 are in the big box. When I'm 40 I'm gonna look like I'm 25, so I'm probably gonna date 18 year olds, teheh.
Me three.
Yes. My tentative theory is that NTs were exposed to more testosterone in the womb when the basic brain pattern was laid down (this is fairly easy to gage with 2d:4d ratio). This "masculinization" predisposes them to autistic spectrum disorders (according to Baron-Cohen). INTs are over-represented when it comes to ASDs.
The amount of testosterone circulating in the blood in adulthood is different from prenatal levels, which are under the influence of the mother.
There does seem to be this odd discrepancy whereby male NTs are often less typically masculine and female NTs more so. I can think of a few reasons for that (both biochemical and sociological) but it would be pure speculation.
There does seem to be this odd discrepancy whereby male NTs are often less typically masculine and female NTs more so.
(But I do think the detached orientation to the world will violate the gender norms, considering gender is often expressed through overt engagement... Detachment from feelings and relational expectations might make a woman seem more masculine, detachment from banal competition/aggression might make a man seem more feminine.)
That's part of it, but gender goes deeper than that. As you well know.Agreed on that point, it seems to be a fair generalization.
But I'm not quite sure what specifically causes it either, although I too can speculate.
(But I do think the detached orientation to the world will violate the gender norms, considering gender is often expressed through overt engagement... Detachment from feelings and relational expectations might make a woman seem more masculine, detachment from banal competition/aggression might make a man seem more feminine.)
I don't think post-puberty levels of testosterone have a bearing on innate personality. If anything there is decent research to suggest the relationship works the other way around: personality traits have a bearing on testosterone, the more aggressive you are, the more testosterone your body will release. Testosterone is closely related to cortisol, which mainly responds to environmental triggers (stress response).Halfjillhalfjack said:Morgan, I like your theory. Because it could mean that the OPs question could both be yes and no - yes, possibly NTs are exposed to more testosterone in the womb, but, possibly not necessarily during puberty....
Fisher is a quack, but even quacks occasionally stumble across partial insights.Ah, I also remember that Fisher said having "too" much testosterone is not associated with the characteristics she mentions for the NTs, like, can't really remember those..... she somehow argued that too much testosterone was associated with low social rank or something....pfh....don't know....the more I come to think about it, the more it sound like bs.......
That's part of it, but gender goes deeper than that. As you well know.
Just an another entp crazy thought... Maybe because we born with less testosterone than others, we all had a childhood with a lack of interest and energy in sports, and prefering to stay reading, daydreaming, thinking, solitary stuff, etc... and grew and develop a personality that favours thinking over doing, mind over body (at least in my case)
dont get me wrong, I enjoy playing basketball, swimming, pingpong, once in a while, but I prefer staying indoors and stimulate my mind
But I always wanted to try skydiving