i think its more of a "the sky is falling" technique that ones who challenge but still believe in science have issues with. prove the world is gonna end from it or that humans will die off, or that we as nature are unadatable to the point that this is a "our children will not be around unless we jump ship to extremism".
most of us that dont believe its a "crisis" are usually for improvement, cleaner air, less pollution. but dont feel like its a life or death situation. we have so much other stuff to worry about that its a blip on the radar just like all the other blips that we need to work on.
from what i remember SFP is not against global warming, but like me, against the extreme "the sky is falling" push.
hence the title "climate alarmists are doing it wrong" and the posts from Thalasa show exactly what they do that isnt working on majority and why they have to "fight" so kmuch.
You got it. As a kid, the hype was global cooling. The global warming folk deny this happened, but I posted a bunch of articles from back then in one of these threads (which were ignored by our alarmists).
Then the data didn't fit their theory, so they switched to global warming.
Ultimately, I think that the science is still developing. For most of the last decade, there was no increase in global warming, which the anti-alarmist folks pointed out, so the alarmists started massaging data and modifying their models, while saying the skeptics are lying.
The entire movement became largely a political tool. The numbers thrown around are largely wrong. The 97% figure does not mean what the alarmists claim it means. Etc.
I believe we need to strongly curtail pollution. I believe we need to change many of agricultural practices. I believe we really need to reduce waste. Old SuperFund sites need to be cleaned up. And so forth. I love clean air and clean water.
But the alarmists plans are basically economic today, as I posted in one article, where the co-chair of the IPCC admitted that current efforts are all about income redistribution from the 1st world to the 3rd.
Exporting our factories to China, allowing them to pollute like mad, then shipping the goods here is much worse for the planet than producing goods here under tight environmental controls and with minimal distribution monetary and carbon costs. Yet these issues are largely ignored.
So many environmental initiatives have a cronistic purpose. Cap and trade has been a profit vehicle for Wall Street. Many solar power boondoggles were gifts to Democratic operatives. Ethanol is a disaster. Etc.
As long as it is hyper political, we will not actually solve anything. But the solution isn't for those that oppose the alarmists to give up. No, it is for the alarmists to stop treating science as a religion and tone down the scare tactics.
The more an effort attempts to bully the opposition, the more the opposition will resist.
Instead of dogmatism and convert or die alleged consensus, it would be better to calmly discuss the matters. The skeptics are bright people who easily see the holes in the propaganda. The alarmists have been trying to dismiss them as shills for oil companies, but that just allows the alarmists to feel good in ignoring the skeptics' very valid points.
Nothing can't be solved, but alarmists keep with the act that we must act immediately or we will all die and kill the planet. Such talk is extremely counterproductive....