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I haven't seen this show in a long time, but going from memory, I agree that Xander is an ENTP.
I haven't seen this show in a long time, but going from memory, I agree that Xander is an ENTP.
Yeah, OK for ENTP, I've edit my post.Hm. Can't really see it. He stirs the pot for the sake of it rather than to actually accomplish something, and some of the things he pulls are pointless and more for the sake of his enjoyment (such as turning Giles into a demon) than anything else.
I could see either, to be honest. A lot of what you mentioned can be attributed to Se alone, along with the fact that he is a vampire. I maintain that he's an ESFP with poorly developed Fi (hence, his focus on people and his unhealthy obsession with love), but I could see ESTP with an unhealthy Fe tertiary.
SP-Very physical person, a doer who live the life to the fullest
SP-Like challenges, especially physicals challenges (including, to slay slayers)
STP-Cocky and funny , witty, clever and fun with a dry, sarcastic sense of humor, loves practical jokes
Ti+SE, STP but he's not so impatient.-Very high analytical skills and aptitude to understand complex systems and relationships, uses this as leverage for efficiency and manipulation of peoples, but sometime too impatient and acts without reflect enough to avoid some errors
Actually, he's not very in-charge. I've say this-A in-charge person who's likely to lead peoples in a crisis, he've a very high P side though, wich tempered his in-charge side and strengthens his go-with-the-flow side
SP-Live in the present and doesn't want to take confining commitments, prefer to keep every options openend and his freedom, his independence and his spontaneity rather than work for stupids visions of transformation (like "give hell on Earth")
ISTP-Does'nt respect any rules but his own, act faithfully according to his own principles
TP-Likes to tell truthfull speechs, especially when the truth hurts
SP-Likes the fine sensors pleasures of the life like cigarettes, bear or chocolate, popular culture like Star Wars, Charlie Brown and Soap Opera like Passions and, of course, punk bands like The Sex Pistols or The Ramones
STP-Has a lust for violence, seeing it as therapeutic, doesn't caring about who's fighting with, just love the fight without values judgments
Ti/Fe balance-Acts according to his own interests above all, but is faithfull for women he loves (like Dru or Buffy) or for the ones he has a deep affection (like Dawn who's taken by Spike as a "little sister", or Joyce who has always be kind with him and never treat him like a monster), is very obssesed by the ones he loves, but less trust his capacities for flirt than his strength and his analytical skills to own success, like in any situations
He is the opposite of Angel-Is almost the opposite of Angel
I think Angel is actually evrytime an ENFJ. ENFJ can be mistype with ESTP sometimes, and he's not really an introvert. His adventures in the show Angel reveal his In-Charge nature. Superficially, Angel could look like an ISTP, but actually we coud'nt be more diffrents. Spike is a true ISTP, him. Darla is more an ESTP, she's too worried with the group projects and the Master's opinion to be ISTP, I think.As for your new list, I don't have much disagreement besides what I've already mentioned, but I'd have pegged Liam to be an ESTP as opposed to ISTP (for the brief moment we see him).
EDIT: Wait, do you have the Master as INFJ?![]()
Xander does'nt interact the most spontaneously with people in an affective way. He's rather a sarcastical and cynical joker who does'nt take the sadness of his life too personally. He's a man of principle who values the group interest (Ti+Fe) above the personal (Fi). There's many Ti-Fe/Fi conflicts between Xander and Buffy, when for example, Buffy want to give his soul to Angel back.
Yes, I think the Master is a combination of powerfull vision (Ni), high social skills (Fe), and strong logic (Ti). The typical INFJ villain (looks a little like Adolf Hitler).
Xander doesn't seem to think much of his Ti if it is very strong. He's not stupid, but he's not always the most careful thinker. I wouldn't call him cerebral. I have a hard time believing that an ENTP would view themselves the way Xander does: he was highly insecure about his intelligence for most of the show.
“Bitca”, 'nough said.
Buffy: I'm the only one that can pass the retinal scan.
Xander: The — Eww! I don't wanna see that!
Buffy: Retinal scan, Xander.
Xander: I'm twice the fool it takes to do something like this.
Xander: I kind of had a problem with the math.
Willow: Which part?
Xander: The math.
Willow: You're not gonna be young forever.
Xander: Yes, but I'll always be stupid.
Buffy: This is stupid.
Xander: Stupid. So you finally had the guts to say it to my face.
I also always read his concern about Angel in particular as more than a little self interested: there was probably some jealousy and personal resentment. This isn't a particularly Ti approach to a dilemma. It was pretty hard to tell his jealousy from his moral outrage in the first couple of seasons. He also seems to have a very low tolerance for moral ambiguity only when it suits him (Anya, as was pointed out in Selfless, was an exception to him. She was a former murderer who had not expressed a great deal of remorse, even if she was technically human.) He's not exactly a coolly detached guy.
On Oz (after escape from cage and Cordelia reporting that he killed someone)
“Oz does not eat people. It's more werewolf play. You know, I bat you around a little bit, like a cat toy. I have harmless, wolf fun. Is it Oz's fault that, you know, side effect, people get cut to ribbons, and maybe then he'll take a little nibble and...I'm not helping, am I?”
On Angel (after escape from hell dimension)
“I think you're harboring a vicious killer...I don't need an excuse. I think lots of dead people actually constitutes a reason.”
Yes, I realize I'm outing myself as a major Buffy geek by typing this much about one character.![]()
Yeah, forget what I said about him. I've been rewatching it, and I see little to no trace of Fi within him. Agreed on ISTP (though I think he's probably dancing on the I/E borderline).So, my guess is:ESTPISTP
I could see him as an ISFP, but I think he's not because he's more confident with his analyticals skills rather than his skills for flirt. And the fact that he has feelings is not an argument, evry people have. He deals more with it in a Ti-Fe balance than Fi, and if he would have the choice, he would prefer to don't feel anything.
I actually had Liam and Angel typed differently. I saw Liam as an ESTP and Angel as an INFJ, though I could see ENFJ as well (sometimes).I think Angel is actually evrytime an ENFJ. ENFJ can be mistype with ESTP sometimes, and he's not really an introvert. His adventures in the show Angel reveal his In-Charge nature. Superficially, Angel could look like an ISTP, but actually we coud'nt be more diffrents. Spike is a true ISTP, him. Darla is more an ESTP, she's too worried with the group projects and the Master's opinion to be ISTP, I think.
Eh, I rarely watch season 1, so I'm not going to challenge that. Though I'm not sure I agree.Yes, I think the Master is a combination of powerfull vision (Ni), high social skills (Fe), and strong logic (Ti). The typical INFJ villain (looks a little like Adolf Hitler).
Heh, definitely. I really doubt a Ti user would disapprove of a plan that allows them to restrain their enemy from a distance without having to engage in combat just because Buffy happened to have a particular personal interest in said plan.I also always read his concern about Angel in particular as more than a little self interested: there was probably some jealousy and personal resentment. This isn't a particularly Ti approach to a dilemma. It was pretty hard to tell his jealousy from his moral outrage in the first couple of seasons. He also seems to have a very low tolerance for moral ambiguity only when it suits him (Anya, as was pointed out in Selfless, was an exception to him. She was a former murderer who had not expressed a great deal of remorse, even if she was technically human.) He's not exactly a coolly detached guy.
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Okay, I haven't seen this show in years, so I think you're right. Changing my guess to ENFP.
And I don't really want to debate Hitler's type (there are plenty of threads on that already), but I still think he's an ENFJ.
Angel is everything except an easygoing person.
Trust me, if you want to understand Angel better typologically, consider 9w8. An overall 9 personality who goes to 6 under stress (as he is much of the time), with an 8 wing. And you can only deepen this insight by thinking of him on the Karaoke stage singing “Mandy.”
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Does anyone remember Lindsey McDonald, the Wolfram & Hart lawyer from the Angel series? He was one of the best characters, both tragically flawed (ambitious, but not quite ruthless enough for Wolfram & Hart) and funny. That last fight scene with him and Angel in season 5, the dialogue was hilarious. Anyway, I think he was an ENTP (hope this pick doesn't piss off Speed too much).
high social skills? you've got to be kidding me
Trust me, if you want to understand Angel better typologically, consider 9w8. An overall 9 personality who goes to 6 under stress (as he is much of the time), with an 8 wing. And you can only deepen this insight by thinking of him on the Karaoke stage singing “Mandy.”
Does anyone remember Lindsey McDonald, the Wolfram & Hart lawyer from the Angel series? He was one of the best characters, both tragically flawed (ambitious, but not quite ruthless enough for Wolfram & Hart) and funny. That last fight scene with him and Angel in season 5, the dialogue was hilarious. Anyway, I think he was an ENTP (hope this pick doesn't piss off Speed too much).
New version
ISTJ
Anya 8w7 sp/sx
Kendra 1w2 sp/so
Kakistos
Nikki Wood
Principal Wood
Quentin Travers 1w2 so/sp
ESTJ
Cordelia 3w2 so/sp
Glory 8w7 sx/so
Luke 8w9 sp/sx
Principal Snyder 6w5 sx/sp
Forrest 8w7 so/sp
Hank Summers 8w9 sp/so
The First Evil 8w7 sp/sx
ISFJ
Riley 1w2 sx/sp
Jonathan 6w7 so/sx
ESFJ
Joyce 2w3 so/sp
Ben 2w1 so/sx
Harmony 2w3 so/sx
Principal Flutty 2w1 so/sp
Halfrek 3w2 so/sp
ISTP
Spike 9w8 sx/so
Jenny Calendar 7w8 sx/sp
Amy 5w4 sx/sp
Sheila 8w7 sx/sp
Barruca 8w7 sx/sp
The First Slayer 5w6 sp/sx
ESTP
Faith 6w7 sx/sp Sagittarius
Darla 7w8 so/sp
Kennedy 7w8 sp/sx
Sweet 7w8 sx/so
Percy 7w8 sp/so
ISFP
Dawn 4w3 sx/so
ESFP
Buffy 3w4 so/sx Capricorn ascendant Aquarius
INFJ
Tara 6w7 so/sp
Wesley Wyndam-Pryce 5w6 sp/so
The Master
ENFJ
Angel alias Liam, alias Angelus 9w8 sx/sp
Mayor Wilkins 2w3 sx/sp
INFP
Willow 6w7 sp/so
ENFP
Drusilla 4w5 sx/sp
INTJ
Gilles 5w6 sx/sp
Gwendolyn Post
ENTJ
Adam 8w9 sx/sp
Maggie Walsh 8w7 sp/sx
INTP
Oz 9w8 sp/sx
Dracula 5w4 sx/sp
Warren 5w6 so/sp
Andrew 9w1 so/sx
D'Hoffryn 5w6 sp/so
ENTP
Xander 7w6 so/sp
Ethan Rayne 7w8 sp/sx
Mr.Trick 7w8 sp/so
Jesse 7w6 so/sx
Caleb 6w5 sx/sp
Damn, that's my 666th post!![]()