Avengers Endgame

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So Sharon Carter never shows up in this film, after a few movies setting up a potential relationship between her and Steve.
(I guess considering how everything goes down, that might have been a bit ... awkward.)

Related to this, as far as the time-jumping stuff goes, it sounds like the writers didn't understand it either. They made it really clear (well, clear as mud) that changing the past doesn't change the present...?) Yet, when Steve goes back and lives through his life again, he doesn't live that out in an alternate reality; he ages in and appears in the same reality that he left despite time traveling and living a different life that should have made an alternate branch.

Avengers: Endgame Writers Confirm Identity of Peggy Carter's Husband

Some fans have tried to give the writers a pass by making excuses, and then they admitted that they actually DID mean that the nameless husband Peggy describes to "now Steve" was, well, Steve.

Which means Steve is really Uncle Steve, to Sharon Carter. But... how wouldn't she know... when dating... but I guess they never started to date...? And... I'm confused.

Anyway, it's why I'm not fond of this kind of time travel stuff. It kills the emotional content and muddies the plotting.

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And I think I mentioned before, but it looks most probable that Tony grabbed the stones via his shifting / nanotech suit. I just wish they had set it up a bit more carefully previously in the film, where Tony incorporates something on the fly into his suit. We did see the hand resizing for the Hulk and for Thanos, but I think it would have been simple enough to insert a quick moment in plot where the suit adjusts on the fly to incorporate something outside itself or moves stuff from another suit to Tony's. It would have justified this as the "power move." You'll see this happen in other films where the writers/director thought it all out, they set up examples to justify/explain a later plot point.

 

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So anyway...

I was just realizing last week that the Infinity Stones are eradicated from our timeline, right? Thanos wiped them, so we had to borrow some from the past (which would have shunted into a new timeline), but then they were all returned to the point where they were taken.... so they continued to exist until...

... damn, well, Thanos never destroys everything in this timeline because it was changed, so we're really in another timeline? So the stones do exist? I'm getting lost again. It's important because in Endgame the prior Mystical Arts Master insists that the infinity stones have to continue to exist or things go bad.

 

[The Cat]

So anyway...

I was just realizing last week that the Infinity Stones are eradicated from our timeline, right? Thanos wiped them, so we had to borrow some from the past (which would have shunted into a new timeline), but then they were all returned to the point where they were taken.... so they continued to exist until...

... damn, well, Thanos never destroys everything in this timeline because it was changed, so we're really in another timeline? So the stones do exist? I'm getting lost again. It's important because in Endgame the prior Mystical Arts Master insists that the infinity stones have to continue to exist or things go bad.

They're always after his lucky charms.

 

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They're always after his lucky charms.

...wait for it....

....wait for it....

 

[The Cat]

...wait for it....

....wait for it....

Brad Williams is amazing

 

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Leaks of Future Past : MarvelStudiosSpoilers

I'm going to make a post of things I have picked up over the past few years. Some of it is outdated by now, but I still find it interesting, and I hope you do too.

For verification I would submit my post history. To my knowledge, I had the most complete and accurate rundown of Endgame prior to it coming out. I took a long time off from posting and am back know for reasons I won't share as it could identify me. My situation is the same as my last post: I work in a situation where sometimes I am in position to hear or see things that cross my desk, so to speak. You are free to believe me, or not. It doesn't bother me either way, lol. Here is what I got, and again, it is randomly collected from over the years, but I will attempt to put it in linear order that I found out myself...

it is an interesting read and sounds credible, I guess he also talked to the mods to confirm where he would have access to the information.

Here is what the poster said about Endgame on April 10, 2019. (the film released on April 26.) it's off on one or two things (mainly who gets what stones) but admits it was a lot of information to listen to and it's possible he jumbled up the groups (which was the case). But gets a lot of stuff right, unique details, in the right order, to verify it's a pretty legitimate leak.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/b11980/avengers_endgame_unverified_spoiler_leak_theory/

Here's what happens everyone. I am in a position to barely overhear things that certain people say and today I heard it all. This might not be 100% accurate, but it will be close.

Captain Marvel arrives at the very beginning, pre-Tony/Nebula return. She then joins the earth Avengers on a trip to Thanos. They go Thanos and discover he's destroyed the stones, to ensure his victory and his work can not be undone. The Avengers kill Thanos. That's right. I was surprised too. Thor axes off his head or something. They return to Earth.

Thor gets angry and depressed because without the stones, there is no hope to bring his people back. His killing of Thanos is in vain. Sad Thor. Next we get a 5 year time skip, Tony's return, and Banner and Hulk making peace with their differences into the one true hulk. On the other side of 5 years later Ant-Man comes out of the Quantum Realm and finds out what happens. He meets up with the Avengers. They learn about the Quantum Realm and the ability to travel through time. Ant-Man, Banner, and Tony build a time travel machine. The Avengers gather the team back together. Hawkeye/Ronin is recruited back. Thor is recruited back. Thor is also Fat Thor now due to his depression from not being able to undo what Thanos did to his brother and his people. Thor gets recruited away from Valkyrie, Meek and Korg from new Asguard on Earth and rejoins the Avengers.

They all split up through time to get the stones back. Banner/Tony/Cap/Ant-man go to NY during Avengers 1 to get three of the stones (mind/space/time). Nebula and War Machine go for the Soul. Black Widow and Hawkeye grab the power. Thor and Rocket get the reality. The rest of this is a little spotty, lol. For example, not sure what happens to Captain Marvel between now and the end of the movie. I do not think she time travels with the team, but she is there for the big end fight. Or maybe the people I overheard glossed over it. I do not know. For the time travel, Thor and Rocket get the reality stone from Jane. Thor also has a heart to heart with his mom before she dies and grabs his hammer back. Nebula and War Machine bump into Thanos and bad-Nebula attempting to get the Soul stone. Black Widow and Ronin I have no idea, could not hear it well, they walked out of range. Banner gets the time stone from the Ancient One, who is expecting him. Tony/Cap/Ant-man get the mind stone, but fail at getting the space. So they have to jump further back in time. Tony gets to say goodbye to Howard Stark and Cap to Peggy Carter. They then all return to the present.

On returning to the present Thanos is on Earth attacking Avengers HQ, and has a huge army with him constructed of all the armies of the past battles. Tony/Cap/Thor battle Thanos because he again has the gauntlet. They have the stones. Cap says all his famous lines he always does, and even at one point holds Thor's hammer. Thor double wields his ax and hammer too. Of course, they can't finish Thanos off themselves and because of time travel all the heroes from all the movies have a huge fight as they battle for control over the stones and gauntlet. Good guys win, nobody dies, everyone brought back, stones returned. I think Tony ends up with the gauntlet at the end of fight and kills Thanos, but I am not sure. The End.



EDIT: Because this is now picking up steam, I want to remind everyone that it is true, but overheard. I can not confirm it is 100% accurate, but accurate to what I overheard.

But while I am doing an edit, here is a bonus: Cap goes quickly undercover to get the mind stone and pulls a "Hail Hydra." Tony kills Thanos by snapping him away. Whoever dies prior to the final battle is dead. Snapped people come back. People are asking if it is true nobody dies. That I know, yes. But the people I overheard stopped talking after mentioning the Tony snap of Thanos, so it is possible Tony still dies after that, lol. Or, that others died and it was not mentioned. I did not see the movie myself, just reporting what I heard.

EDIT 2: I am getting asking if I switched up the Soul/Power Stone teams. It is possible. There was a lot to remember! Also I have been questioned about a new leaker's details about Nat's death and return, and Gamora. Sorry everyone, I have to say it again, but I did not see the movies myself. Only was in a position to overhear others, and the things that they spoke about. I can not even promise if what I wrote is in the correct order.

I am trying to rack my brain if I remember anything else. The Banner/Ancient One scene is where the time travel laws of the movie are explained. I got the sense that the stones get removed from time, and then have to be placed back in time after they are done with the stones, but time travel is confusing, and I am not sure if I heard right, that is why I did not post it before, lol. That is literally everything folks, sorry if I can not answer anything else.

EDIT 3: Changed "Thanos gets recruited" to "Thor gets recruited", minor error, typing to fast, lol. I think most of you figured that one out.

Platinum EDIT: THANK YOU FOR THE PLATINUM! I do not know if it is deserved, but it is very much appreciated!

Final EDIT?: I am very sure u/Wico90 is telling the truth. The more I am hearing, that all lines up. There are some things I stated that seem to be out of place, such as when Cap meets Peggy, which I combined with the Howard Stark moment. I assume that is because I was listening to others, and they might have been discussing out of order sometimes. But I trust u/Wico90, that he got the correct order of it. He/She brings up things I am only now hearing, like Cap's shield being broken in the battle, and Luis's van being in the final battle - all true. As well as Cap/Tony's second trip further back in time being without any more pym particles. I think we can wrap it up here. Thanks for those who believed me, and credit to u/Wico90 for reporting the rest!

 

[The Cat]

Leaks of Future Past : MarvelStudiosSpoilers



it is an interesting read and sounds credible, I guess he also talked to the mods to confirm where he would have access to the information.

Here is what the poster said about Endgame on April 10, 2019. (the film released on April 26.) it's off on one or two things (mainly who gets what stones) but admits it was a lot of information to listen to and it's possible he jumbled up the groups (which was the case). But gets a lot of stuff right, unique details, in the right order, to verify it's a pretty legitimate leak.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/b11980/avengers_endgame_unverified_spoiler_leak_theory/

Here's what happens everyone. I am in a position to barely overhear things that certain people say and today I heard it all. This might not be 100% accurate, but it will be close.

Captain Marvel arrives at the very beginning, pre-Tony/Nebula return. She then joins the earth Avengers on a trip to Thanos. They go Thanos and discover he's destroyed the stones, to ensure his victory and his work can not be undone. The Avengers kill Thanos. That's right. I was surprised too. Thor axes off his head or something. They return to Earth.

Thor gets angry and depressed because without the stones, there is no hope to bring his people back. His killing of Thanos is in vain. Sad Thor. Next we get a 5 year time skip, Tony's return, and Banner and Hulk making peace with their differences into the one true hulk. On the other side of 5 years later Ant-Man comes out of the Quantum Realm and finds out what happens. He meets up with the Avengers. They learn about the Quantum Realm and the ability to travel through time. Ant-Man, Banner, and Tony build a time travel machine. The Avengers gather the team back together. Hawkeye/Ronin is recruited back. Thor is recruited back. Thor is also Fat Thor now due to his depression from not being able to undo what Thanos did to his brother and his people. Thor gets recruited away from Valkyrie, Meek and Korg from new Asguard on Earth and rejoins the Avengers.

They all split up through time to get the stones back. Banner/Tony/Cap/Ant-man go to NY during Avengers 1 to get three of the stones (mind/space/time). Nebula and War Machine go for the Soul. Black Widow and Hawkeye grab the power. Thor and Rocket get the reality. The rest of this is a little spotty, lol. For example, not sure what happens to Captain Marvel between now and the end of the movie. I do not think she time travels with the team, but she is there for the big end fight. Or maybe the people I overheard glossed over it. I do not know. For the time travel, Thor and Rocket get the reality stone from Jane. Thor also has a heart to heart with his mom before she dies and grabs his hammer back. Nebula and War Machine bump into Thanos and bad-Nebula attempting to get the Soul stone. Black Widow and Ronin I have no idea, could not hear it well, they walked out of range. Banner gets the time stone from the Ancient One, who is expecting him. Tony/Cap/Ant-man get the mind stone, but fail at getting the space. So they have to jump further back in time. Tony gets to say goodbye to Howard Stark and Cap to Peggy Carter. They then all return to the present.

On returning to the present Thanos is on Earth attacking Avengers HQ, and has a huge army with him constructed of all the armies of the past battles. Tony/Cap/Thor battle Thanos because he again has the gauntlet. They have the stones. Cap says all his famous lines he always does, and even at one point holds Thor's hammer. Thor double wields his ax and hammer too. Of course, they can't finish Thanos off themselves and because of time travel all the heroes from all the movies have a huge fight as they battle for control over the stones and gauntlet. Good guys win, nobody dies, everyone brought back, stones returned. I think Tony ends up with the gauntlet at the end of fight and kills Thanos, but I am not sure. The End.



EDIT: Because this is now picking up steam, I want to remind everyone that it is true, but overheard. I can not confirm it is 100% accurate, but accurate to what I overheard.

But while I am doing an edit, here is a bonus: Cap goes quickly undercover to get the mind stone and pulls a "Hail Hydra." Tony kills Thanos by snapping him away. Whoever dies prior to the final battle is dead. Snapped people come back. People are asking if it is true nobody dies. That I know, yes. But the people I overheard stopped talking after mentioning the Tony snap of Thanos, so it is possible Tony still dies after that, lol. Or, that others died and it was not mentioned. I did not see the movie myself, just reporting what I heard.

EDIT 2: I am getting asking if I switched up the Soul/Power Stone teams. It is possible. There was a lot to remember! Also I have been questioned about a new leaker's details about Nat's death and return, and Gamora. Sorry everyone, I have to say it again, but I did not see the movies myself. Only was in a position to overhear others, and the things that they spoke about. I can not even promise if what I wrote is in the correct order.

I am trying to rack my brain if I remember anything else. The Banner/Ancient One scene is where the time travel laws of the movie are explained. I got the sense that the stones get removed from time, and then have to be placed back in time after they are done with the stones, but time travel is confusing, and I am not sure if I heard right, that is why I did not post it before, lol. That is literally everything folks, sorry if I can not answer anything else.

EDIT 3: Changed "Thanos gets recruited" to "Thor gets recruited", minor error, typing to fast, lol. I think most of you figured that one out.

Platinum EDIT: THANK YOU FOR THE PLATINUM! I do not know if it is deserved, but it is very much appreciated!

Final EDIT?: I am very sure u/Wico90 is telling the truth. The more I am hearing, that all lines up. There are some things I stated that seem to be out of place, such as when Cap meets Peggy, which I combined with the Howard Stark moment. I assume that is because I was listening to others, and they might have been discussing out of order sometimes. But I trust u/Wico90, that he got the correct order of it. He/She brings up things I am only now hearing, like Cap's shield being broken in the battle, and Luis's van being in the final battle - all true. As well as Cap/Tony's second trip further back in time being without any more pym particles. I think we can wrap it up here. Thanks for those who believed me, and credit to u/Wico90 for reporting the rest!

also they kept inisting of the fact that it was only hear say; for some reason to me that adds credibility somehow...

 

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also they kept inisting of the fact that it was only hear say; for some reason to me that adds credibility somehow...

Yeah, the description was qualified heavily, with soft spots admitted.

For being "hearsay," it was pretty good hearsay honestly even if it was only two weeks before release.



So it's interesting to hear what Phase 4 plans might be, as well as for FF / Dr. Doom and so on.

I still think Holland's overall been the best Peter Parker, although Maguire was the second best -- it's just he was too old for the part honestly. (He was 27 when Spiderman came out.) Holland's the only one that actually feels like a bona fide teenager, although he was 21 when Spiderman came out -- technically, though he was only 19 when his first appearance (Avengers Civil War) released.

I have no fears about X-men eventually coming out, but yeah, they tend to start them on parallel tracks, then eventually meld them into the Avengers sequencing. Just not sure what the Avengers will look like at this time.

It would be nice if they followed up more on Wanda and Vision.

 

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Yeah, the description was qualified heavily, with soft spots admitted.

For being "hearsay," it was pretty good hearsay honestly even if it was only two weeks before release.



So it's interesting to hear what Phase 4 plans might be, as well as for FF / Dr. Doom and so on.

I still think Holland's overall been the best Peter Parker, although Maguire was the second best -- it's just he was too old for the part honestly. (He was 27 when Spiderman came out.) Holland's the only one that actually feels like a bona fide teenager, although he was 21 when Spiderman came out -- technically, though he was only 19 when his first appearance (Avengers Civil War) released.

I have no fears about X-men eventually coming out, but yeah, they tend to start them on parallel tracks, then eventually meld them into the Avengers sequencing. Just not sure what the Avengers will look like at this time.

It would be nice if they followed up more on Wanda and Vision.

I wasnt a fan of MacGuire. even before the spiderman 3 controversy. TM just doesnt resonate with me...

 

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I wasnt a fan of MacGuire. even before the spiderman 3 controversy. TM just doesnt resonate with me...

I felt like he got the Peter Parker bit / introspective moral goodness aspect right. Spiderman's always been a "good" idealistic hero, not a shaded / darker one.