Ask Aphrodite (and her sex slaves) your questions about sexual immorality~

[Mole]

Pornography is the graphic depiction of the brothel. And in the brothel women are paid to do what wives and girlfriends don't want to do.

 

[sprinkles]

Pornography is the graphic depiction of the brothel. And in the brothel women are paid to do what wives and girlfriends don't want to do.

Pornography is trying to milk people for money like they are dumb cows.

There are automated robots now which comb through search results related to pornography and sites will invent fake pages on the spot advertising content that they do not even have just to trick people into going there.

Edit: and there are literally millions of these completely saturating the market beyond all reason and sanity. It worse than the tulip market crash of 1637. Entirely absurd.

 

[Sniffles]

I think this thread is a bad idea.

 

[highlander]

I think this thread is a bad idea.

What is it about?

 

[Sniffles]

What is it about?

You asking me what the thread is about, or why I think it's a bad idea?

 

[kyuuei]

First, very brave starting a thread geared toward sex and religion.. As soon as I read the OP I thought, "Oh dear, this poor girl is going to have a swarm of Christian-haters whining about the validity of religion."

Are you a pagan? If so, how do you see your beliefs differ from a Christian perspective as it applies to sex and love?

Pagans, I might add, are very different in terms of this subject.. it is one of the few subjects where I see a major difference, albeit much of it is cultural and not exactly straight-from-the-bible.

Christians, I have always been under the impression, are very prudish about sex. It is a private, careful, methodical thing, procreation is highly emphasized, and open celebration of it is not generally the consensus. There isn't anything in the Bible that shames a person from openly admitting to enjoying sex with their spouse that I have found, nor anything saying that partners should be shamed for wanting sex with each other before marriage (so long as they don't partake). What is shameful for Christians seems to be the baser instinct of wanting sex period. Masturbation, other positions and techniques, BDSM, etc. are subjects that tend to have the darker aspects to them, and adultery is one of the big 10. How your baser instinct meshes with glorifying God is something that tends to, more often than not, lead to an answer that involves retarding the instinct entirely to be on the safe side. You can have sex, and enjoy it too, but only within certain parameters.. People, though, are known for not being very good at sticking to parameters, and thus the whole subject becomes a dark mess that Christians just don't really want to touch with a 10 foot pole, causing a lot of sexual repression and tension in teenagers and adults alike.


In comparison, Paganism is the laissez-faire religion on sex. We tend to put more parameters on ourselves than the religion really calls for (which is pretty much none). We have an entire holiday celebrating fertility and sexuality. It is common to be very open and honest about sexual desires, activities, and sexual awareness is encouraged. It isn't that we support adultery or pedophilia or anything like that, but the Harm None rule tends to be a good rule of thumb for this entire aspect, and is in fact the only concrete one I seem to be able to find within the religion. It's vague, but can be molded well to each participant's situations. Society generally dictates that all sex with minors, animals, and outside of marriages are deemed harmful, so it is an easy logical leap that these are not acceptable. Outside of that, consenting adults are free to love each other in the ways their bodies tell them how.

 

[highlander]

You asking me what the thread is about, or why I think it's a bad idea?

I'm asking anyone what the thread is about because it doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it's just a joke or something.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

What is the difference between sexual morality and sexual ethics?

I am denying myself the urge to wiki this. I don't know. Morals are more personal spiritual/religious beliefs and ethics is applying morals in a societal context? Is this a quiz? How did I do?

Well one thing I learned when I was a Christian is that none are righteous.

Moderation is not the moral way, it's the necessary way because nobody is capable of doing otherwise.

In other words, I was not justifying excess but rather saying that you are going to err, and that you should not be oblivious to it but rather err in the more wholesome direction if at all possible.

I'm not really being defensive either, I just have a thing with being misunderstood.

Edit: this also goes along with the concept that sin is sin and everyone is dead straight guaranteed to have messed up somewhere, somehow.

Somebody might be pristine in the relationships department but messing up somewhere else and it pretty much equates to the same thing.

No one is righteous except God. Though hopefully we strive to be as righteous as possible. We are all human. I don't think it's fair that Christians receive so much flak for trying to be good and falling short of that. At least they/we are trying. (not taking this out on you, just sayin').

Moderation is NOT always good. And in the cases of sin....or meth, never is best. Of course we all will err.

yeah, i hear you. for me an important part of that is knowing how we connect physically. this might sound weird, but i remember reading a thing in socionics about nfs being able to "love at a distance" and they and their duals being drawn to this while SFs and their duals need that connection more /random. i relate more to the second thing, but perhaps that's just because I've tried things the other way. this goes back to what i said to the infj with the ldr in the other thread about pheremones.

Well, I can have intense communication with someone at a distance, but I REALLY crave one-on-one interaction, probably due to my sx dom. I don't know that it has as much to do with N/S as that.

Pornography is the graphic depiction of the brothel. And in the brothel women are paid to do what wives and girlfriends don't want to do.

I would do anything and my ex still enjoyed amateur porn.

First, very brave starting a thread geared toward sex and religion.. As soon as I read the OP I thought, "Oh dear, this poor girl is going to have a swarm of Christian-haters whining about the validity of religion."



Pagans, I might add, are very different in terms of this subject.. it is one of the few subjects where I see a major difference, albeit much of it is cultural and not exactly straight-from-the-bible.

Christians, I have always been under the impression, are very prudish about sex. It is a private, careful, methodical thing, procreation is highly emphasized, and open celebration of it is not generally the consensus. There isn't anything in the Bible that shames a person from openly admitting to enjoying sex with their spouse that I have found, nor anything saying that partners should be shamed for wanting sex with each other before marriage (so long as they don't partake). What is shameful for Christians seems to be the baser instinct of wanting sex period. Masturbation, other positions and techniques, BDSM, etc. are subjects that tend to have the darker aspects to them, and adultery is one of the big 10. How your baser instinct meshes with glorifying God is something that tends to, more often than not, lead to an answer that involves retarding the instinct entirely to be on the safe side. You can have sex, and enjoy it too, but only within certain parameters.. People, though, are known for not being very good at sticking to parameters, and thus the whole subject becomes a dark mess that Christians just don't really want to touch with a 10 foot pole, causing a lot of sexual repression and tension in teenagers and adults alike.

Christians are also usually Republican. That doesn't really tell us anything but encourages us to stereotype. Right?

In comparison, Paganism is the laissez-faire religion on sex. We tend to put more parameters on ourselves than the religion really calls for (which is pretty much none). We have an entire holiday celebrating fertility and sexuality. It is common to be very open and honest about sexual desires, activities, and sexual awareness is encouraged. It isn't that we support adultery or pedophilia or anything like that, but the Harm None rule tends to be a good rule of thumb for this entire aspect, and is in fact the only concrete one I seem to be able to find within the religion. It's vague, but can be molded well to each participant's situations. Society generally dictates that all sex with minors, animals, and outside of marriages are deemed harmful, so it is an easy logical leap that these are not acceptable. Outside of that, consenting adults are free to love each other in the ways their bodies tell them how.

Well, then paganism is likely enjoying its heyday since we are basically like Babylon. I don't see that this way of life brings happiness, but despair and heartache; it cannot be maintained by the majority of people, finally scarring many, if not most. And it can elicit idolatrous behavior, where sex becomes the drive behind everything, the point to all someone does. But what they really want is a deeper connection, they just don't know how to go about it because media and our lustful ways are always leading us astray. Most are searching for love and find that casual sex falls so short of that as to eat away at their soul over time.

I just realized that this is the same social conditioning that we endured in the 50's regarding gender roles, and which led to the feminist movement of the 70's. In the 70's and 80's we had 'sexual liberation' and now I think we're fractured into two main groups; those that see the Babylon we created, and its repercussions; and those that are victims of that but don't realize it, and who just want more.

Is that a valid thought or way off the mark of anything reasonable-sounding.

 

[Sniffles]

I'm asking anyone what the thread is about because it doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it's just a joke or something.

Usually these "Ask X any question" thread are jokes, so I wouldn't be too surprised if this is no exception.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

Nope. Udderly serious!

 

[Sniffles]

Nope. Udderly serious!

Well it's really wonderful that you found Christ and seek to share the Good News with others, however I have my doubts as to whether this is the right venue for doing so. Religious All discussions here very quickly turn into circuses in one way or another. Hence why I said this thread maybe a bad idea, it certainly was not a comment on your faith.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

Okay. I'm not having a problem with it. Are you?

 

[Sniffles]

Well in that case, onward Christian soldier I guess. *shrugs*

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

 

[Lark]

Well it's really wonderful that you found Christ and seek to share the Good News with others, however I have my doubts as to whether this is the right venue for doing so. Religious All discussions here very quickly turn into circuses in one way or another. Hence why I said this thread maybe a bad idea, it certainly was not a comment on your faith.

They sort of do dont they? The older threads are worth a look though, its become a more rapid thing over time I think.

This has been the strangest thread ever though, I wouldnt have took it for a overt or covert attempt to spread any religious beliefs.

 

[Cellmold]

Are we born with sin? Or is it learned?

In either case this implies that we are imperfect. But god is perfect, how could he/she/it/llama create such imperfection? If that proves him/her/it/llama wrong; what does that mean for god?

Also we are created in god's image, so god is an imperfect being? But god is infallible. Does god now cease to exist based upon this contradiction?

 

[sprinkles]

No one is righteous except God. Though hopefully we strive to be as righteous as possible. We are all human. I don't think it's fair that Christians receive so much flak for trying to be good and falling short of that. At least they/we are trying. (not taking this out on you, just sayin').

Moderation is NOT always good. And in the cases of sin....or meth, never is best. Of course we all will err.

Yeah. I never could reconcile myself with striving for an impossible goal which can only be passed by mercy - which by all accounts I do not even deserve.

So I guess I have faith in the sense that if there is an all mighty God it will know exactly what to do with me no matter what and I'm pretty much a gold fish. To have me strive for something that I cannot do based on an authority that I cannot be sure of is not a recipe for faith or humility, to me. It's a recipe for tricking myself into thinking I know best.

 

[JivinJeffJones]

I'm not sure about Augustine's definition. Does that mean that a couple who have been happily married for, say, 20 years and have consensual, loving sex are not expressing their love but rather indulging in lust? Assuming they don't believe in YHWH? Does it mean only Christians are capable of loving sex?

 

[Pseudo]

Are any humans created to be non-sexual? Are any humans created with sexual urges they are meant to deny? Are any people incapable of anything but lust?

 

[greenfairy]

I am denying myself the urge to wiki this. I don't know. Morals are more personal spiritual/religious beliefs and ethics is applying morals in a societal context? Is this a quiz? How did I do?

Reasonable answer. I have a bit of a different one, being pagan, as [MENTION=4939]kyuuei[/MENTION] pointed out.

Christians are also usually Republican. That doesn't really tell us anything but encourages us to stereotype. Right?

I agree stereotyping can be an issue, and I certainly don't like it from a pagan standpoint; but there are certain common attitudes in a religion despite the great variety. Since there are so many branches of Christianity, with each person lending their own personal spin on things, of course there are radically conservative as well as radically liberal people and everything in between, each citing their own Biblical references. But there are some things, particularly those which differ from paganism, which are pretty specific to the religion and difficult to moderate.

Well, then paganism is likely enjoying its heyday since we are basically like Babylon. I don't see that this way of life brings happiness, but despair and heartache; it cannot be maintained by the majority of people, finally scarring many, if not most. And it can elicit idolatrous behavior, where sex becomes the drive behind everything, the point to all someone does. But what they really want is a deeper connection, they just don't know how to go about it because media and our lustful ways are always leading us astray. Most are searching for love and find that casual sex falls so short of that as to eat away at their soul over time.

I just realized that this is the same social conditioning that we endured in the 50's regarding gender roles, and which led to the feminist movement of the 70's. In the 70's and 80's we had 'sexual liberation' and now I think we're fractured into two main groups; those that see the Babylon we created, and its repercussions; and those that are victims of that but don't realize it, and who just want more.

Is that a valid thought or way off the mark of anything reasonable-sounding.

Pagans refer to the general public as "mundane;" there are huge differences between the average person and the average pagan. Perhaps attitudes about sexuality are becoming less traditionally Christian and more pagan, but paganism still is not close to being widely assimilated into people's minds. Paganism views sex as a fusion between the spiritual and the physical; this view is shared with Christianity. We just have different views on the nature of the relationship and how it works. So doing it right from a pagan standpoint would involve much more than just physical sex. It doesn't require romantic love, or a legal marriage, or devotion to a particular deity, but it does require mindfulness of the interconnection of all things and the process of creation, as well as a spiritual agape sort of love for the partner/s. This connection is what you correctly say is lacking from the attitude of popular culture. Popular culture still doesn't know how to fuse the spiritual with the physical, so they tend to do all one or the other.

So what you are saying about mainstream practices is largely accurate, but it is not due to paganism, nor does it apply to pagans. I find my lifestyle to be the most liberating, fulfilling, and loving one I've come across.

First, very brave starting a thread geared toward sex and religion.. As soon as I read the OP I thought, "Oh dear, this poor girl is going to have a swarm of Christian-haters whining about the validity of religion."

Yeah, that would be me. Sorry.

No, I don't really hate Christians; I just like to criticize their belief systems to see if they are logically consistent. Of course people have a right to believe what they want regardless of logical or scientific validity, but when they become proscriptive to non-Christians I feel the urge to have a dialogue.