elfinchilde
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Its well known that INTPs resent authority. While the INTJs have learned conformance and as such can work with groups.
resenting authority may not always mean not working with it. generally, an intp would toe the line unless one of their principles has been violated; upon which, the intp will then assert himself/herself. otherwise, external authority doesn't much bother a classic intp. (note, i'm talking pure achetype here. individuals will vary, of course.)
INTPs are not superior, they have huge holes in dependecy and contingency thinking. Their advice should be restrained generally to where the impacts are safely contained (ie science rather than business decisions).
my dear. Since when did i say intps were superior. the point is this: each type has its flaws and strengths, and as such, type should never be an excuse for lack of character. it is too easy a fallback.
that is why i said the intp could work on being more socially aware, while the intj could work on letting go, and not being in control all the time.
if anything else, type should let one realise one's strengths, and more importantly, weaknesses.
if the bolded is not a sweeping generalisation and a prime example of Te, i don't know what else would be.
Quite possibly we could say that INTPs take the path of least resistance and go for the non physical world and as such go more down the introversion path.
true. because the intp's aim is NOT to interfere with the physical world. it boils down to one thing: control. intps seek to master their own internal world, and systems, which is why the external world is pared down to a minimum. it allows for better thought.
it doesn't mean that all intps are socially inept though. like i said, it is a matter of maturity. Any person of any type who's well adjusted would know the necessity of balancing your personal self, with the external world.
it's a maladjusted version of any type, who'd just insist on his/her own way.
Have you ever considered that the group collectively may prefer the impartial Fi to the falsely acted Fe?
Just maybe the group prefers the resolute, impartial and honest traits of the INTJ. If mimicking Fe was important to an INTJ then we'd follow that path... remember that INTJs are the ultimate pragmatists, we're not all just random occurrences in this trait quadrant.
hm....Fi is never impartial; because it seeks to act upon its own inner values, which may not always be what the group agrees with. And treading on dangerous grounds here, but perhaps honesty is not always the best policy. Between a comforting lie and the hard truth, most would prefer the lie? that, perhaps, is why American society is so big on the concept of "positive reinforcement."
What a group prefers is too difficult to discuss on hypothesis, i think. --one has to take into account what the group members comprises of. If it is people who seek to be led, then an INTJ would do well.
as an aside: interdynamics are always what's more interesting, than type itself per se.
By implication if INTPs spend less time around people and won't conform then they will be less interested in people as a science. Thats just probablistic logic.
Eh. as i said, it depends on the individual intp. if an intp is interested in people as a system, they'd be good at it too. as a group tho, perhaps both are socially inept!
INTJs work with ISTJs as effective teams. INTJs per say, don't give a monkeys if others do not want to be part of the team. I think you'll find that INTJs are half way between the stubborn disorgansied INTP and the overly process driven ISTJ. As you know, the final trait element is supposed to be the weakest, the J we have is generally acquired/developed in order to achieve and deliver things. I think an INTP that scores low on the P scale is virtually an INTJ, and vice versa.
yeps. the degree of the scale matter.
Firstly, cinderella was organised enough to attend the ball. And secondly, by the time a INTP made it to the ball, they'd be a pumpkin.
bwahahhahahha! i can't say i disagree with you here! *looks around forlornly at her carriage turned into a pumpkin*
That could be a big difference, INTJs implement. Without implementation they have not achieved anything... We alter the physical world, INTPs revert to the inner world. Hence, the argument for INTPs being less social.
Anyway, that was fun.
lol. because the point is, INTPs don't want to implement. they just wanna tinker with the system, figure it out, and move on. the classic intp views the world as a huge playground. there are things to play with! and so, he/she would play with that toy til it's figured out, and move on. there's seldom any attempt to implement, to change the playground.
for an intp, it's a need to understand, and then, to leave the world the way you found it. "take nothing but memories, leave nothing but footprints." this could very well be an intp's philosophy with regards to the external world.
but seriously, back to the topic: an intp is like a child in relationships. he/she is likely to love purely, and deeply, and enthusiastically. just that the affection will not always be shown in conventional ways. like the intj, the intp feels very intensely; only that the intp will show his/her emotions, while the intj does not. for most intps, if they like you, they like you; if they don't, they don't. there's rarely any pretence in their emotions.
yea. fun. *shakes hands!*