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Alpha males

Julius_Van_Der_Beak

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Alpha, beta, all just a bunch of little masculine power plays and judgement. Adorable really, but not my cup of tea, eh. Yknow?

It's fun when people decide the fate of millions based on these dumbass ideas about masculinity, isn't it? They might even regard themselves as "free thinkers" who aren't "one of the sheeple" even though they believe what every other dumbass believes.
 

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It's fun when people decide the fate of millions based on these dumbass ideas about masculinity, isn't it? They might even regard themselves as "free thinkers" who aren't "one of the sheeple" even though they believe what every other dumbass believes

Oh why yes, it is most delightful. Not unfair at all ~
 

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I've seen men ruin their entire lives due to this idea of being an "alpha male."

Same level of sad as "crystal meth addiction." Same destructive power. Usually men at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder who had no good male role-models to help guide them.

It is really sad - vast wasted potential.

Sad, sad, sad.
 

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This is by far the stupidest alpha male comment I ever read on this website. I'm paraphrasing of course. RIP anticlimatic (though I'm fairly sure we'll see him in some reincarnation)

Capitalism is a masculine economic political and economic system, that's why I like it. Not because it works well but, because other economic and political systems threaten my idea of being a male to my very core. Even a fleeting though of a society that benefits people is enough to make me piss myself.
 

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Capitalism is a masculine economic political and economic system, that's why I like it. Not because it works well but, because other economic and political systems threaten my idea of being a male to my very core. Even a fleeting though of a society that benefits people is enough to make me piss myself.

I remember that. It really is all connected, isn't it?
 

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I remember that. It really is all connected, isn't it?

I never really grasped how deeply it's connected until then. But this goes back to conservatism being based on fear and the right wing punditry exploiting that. Even their most revered "intellectuals" base everything on fear. Not saying the libs aren't fearful (they are) but it's not the core tenant of liberalism they way it is for conservatives.
 

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You really can't win as a alpha male, no matter the excuse. "It's just my nature," - an admittance that you are strung by your baser desires and have a lack of control and intentionality. What kind of man- what kind of person are you then?

If you 'need' to be known as as an alpha male- you're slave to what society wants you to be- you're letting them mold you into their idea of what is cool. To require that kind of basic validation is let people decide how you are to exist. Assuming you want to be traditionally manly- tell me then, how is that 'manly'?

It's pathetic. You are no pack leader, you're a circus lion people clap at and toss treats to. A pawn in the circus part of society. Fine, cool.


I read about 'Alpha males' being misguided a while back, and I was glad, though I don't doubt that people who want to try be superior somehow would find any other way to do it. At least they're loud enough of a walking sign that they're easy to spot and steer away from.
 

Julius_Van_Der_Beak

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You really can't win as a alpha male, no matter the excuse. "It's just my nature," - an admittance that you are strung by your baser desires and have a lack of control and intentionality. What kind of man- what kind of person are you then?

If you 'need' to be known as as an alpha male- you're slave to what society wants you to be- you're letting them mold you into their idea of what is cool. To require that kind of basic validation is let people decide how you are to exist. Assuming you want to be traditionally manly- tell me then, how is that 'manly'?

Exactly. I don't see anything manly about being a slave to social expectations.
 

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Actually, I find the concept of "Alpha Male" quite useful. I really like it. Why? Because it helps me pinpoint the people I don't want to get involved with. Thank you, Alpha Male. I owe you saving me from experiencing countless bad friendships, dates, and conversations.
The OP led off with what an alpha male is not, debunking the common association with what happens in "the wild". I'm still wondering what a (human) alpha male is. What do people mean when they use that term? This is another example of labels that can have different meanings and connotations for different people, such that we are not all discussing the same thing.
 

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Didn't the scientist who came up with the concept of the alpha male himself later discredit it?
 

Julius_Van_Der_Beak

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I never really grasped how deeply it's connected until then. But this goes back to conservatism being based on fear and the right wing punditry exploiting that. Even their most revered "intellectuals" base everything on fear. Not saying the libs aren't fearful (they are) but it's not the core tenant of liberalism they way it is for conservatives.

That would explain why they are obsessed with projecting an image of toughness and strength (to compensate for the crushing fear they feel at living in the modern world), and also why they tend to throw temper tantrums (because they are scared babies).
 

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Alpha male just means socially dominant, it's really not a difficult concept.
 

Julius_Van_Der_Beak

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Alpha male just means socially dominant, it's really not a difficult concept.

But people take that to mean that to be socially dominant, you need to be a belligerent self-centered idiot. Fortunately this is a rather fringe view among Americans and doesn't seep into our politics at all.
 

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It means something when applied to certain animal species. It doesnʼt apply to human beings. As a term, “alpha male” has been co-opted by the incel community.
 

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It means something when applied to certain animal species. It doesnʼt apply to human beings. As a term, “alpha male” has been co-opted by the incel community.
Oh I don't think the incel community uses the term, nor is it applicable to them. Men that think they are alpha males almost never are - this is why they must label themselves and things around them in this way.

But apparently a site called Men's Hair Cuts has it all figured out.

 

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Oh I don't think the incel community uses the term...

Oh, they most certainly do. They love their talk of alpha chads and beta cucks.

nor is it applicable to them.

Certainly not, and they would be the first to tell you that. Declaring the alpha as something they are not is a common mode of expression of their self-loathing.
 
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