2020 Democratic Party primary thread

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Can you imagine the awesomeness of a Sanders Yang ticket?

Just thinking of the contrast between Yang and Pence on a VP debate stage is surreal.

Yang would probably be ideal.

 

[Maou]

I think Sanders is the Corbyn of America. Even if they had a Yang VP. I do not see them winning. Dems have zero idea what the fuck is going on.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I think Sanders is the Corbyn of America. Even if they had a Yang VP. I do not see them winning. Dems have zero idea what the fuck is going on.

Actually Corbyn had some success until at one point his didn't lost plenty of seats due to ignoring Brexit issue. While conservatives promised to place more money into socialized healthcare that they already have as a country. Many seats that Corbyn lost were lost below 1 or 2% of difference. Plus in Scotland the SNP threw almost everyone out of Scotland in the terms of seats (the factor that doesn't exist in US ).


Therefore dragging Corbyn into this is simply wrong way to think about this.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I think Sanders is the Corbyn of America. Even if they had a Yang VP. I do not see them winning. Dems have zero idea what the fuck is going on.

sanders and yang have better memes at this point tho. right can't meme.

 

[Virtual ghost]

It seems that the numbers/votes are coming in.

 

[Merced]

Bye, bye Yang~!

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Hai [MENTION=195]Jaguar[/MENTION].

I'd also like to thank Amy Klobuchar.

The DNC must be spazzing out now.

 

[Totenkindly]

FFS.

What's the next state at this point, rofl?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

FFS.

What's the next state at this point, rofl?

Nevada, then South Carolina.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

So what theory does Warren have for going forward? Hurt Bernie? She sure isn't a contender, even if she was a few weeks ago. She isn't the "woman" candidate, as someone else has that.

Biden can at least try to hold on to his South Carolina firewall, but Warren has nothing going forward.....

 

[SearchingforPeace]

It also appears that Bernie's core support is smaller than anticipated and not just because of other candidates. In 2016, Bernie was the place to go in the primaries for any anti-Hillary Democrat. He received 61% in NH in 2016, but less than half of that this time.

If that is so, the DNC doesn't even need to rig the election like in 2016. Bernie will just have his core 25% and that is it.

Also, he might not dominate in NV as expected. The Culinary Union, the most powerful NV union, has been pushing against Medicare for All. The union has its own Cadillac plan paid for by the casinos and doesn't want to give it up. Plus, the NV unions, though very powerful in the Democratic Party, are largely captive unions controlled by the casinos. The casinos don't want Bernie, as they are more integrated into Wall Street than ever before.

If the union members turn on Bernie, NV will likely be a mess with no clear winner, like the first 2.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Kinda dumb for the DNC to give Bloomberg the opportunity to participate in the Nevada debate. I get that they like money, but Bloomberg isn't going to eat away at Bernie's support at all, and he's going to further split the anti-Bernie vote, which is already divided. People don't really like Bloomberg; in fact, lots of people blame him for causing Kamala Harris to drop out. I'm sure people will vote for him in the primary on some bullshit measure of electability, but I can't see the anti-Bernie vote consolidating around him.

Did those clowns at the DNC learn nothing from the Republican field in 2016? Of course not, because they're morons. Establishment dems underestimated Trump and took states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania for granted. I was more generous to the establishment last time then people might think (even though I disliked Hillary) because of Trump, but they really fucked up the general.

 

[Jaguar]

Hai [MENTION=195]Jaguar[/MENTION].

I'd also like to thank Amy Klobuchar.

The DNC must be spazzing out now.

Let it snow.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Let it snow.

Indeed. Godspeed, Amy.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

OK, so I think I see what the DNC is probably hoping to do with Bloomberg. I'll bet they're hoping he can do well enough on Super Tuesday that he can prevent Sanders from getting a majority of delegates so they can get the superdelegates involved even if he wins a plurality of votes.

If this happens, Trump will get re-elected, and I suppose I wouldn't put it past the DNC. That being said.... I don't see Bloomberg being popular enough to pull it off. Sure, I get bombarded with his stupid ads all the time, but what exactly does he have besides lots of money which gives him a significant appeal above Klobuchar, Biden, or Buttigeig? He's likely to do as poorly or worse among black voters as Buttigeig. Look at this, for instance:

Bloomberg's blunt defense of stop and frisk draws scrutiny

Hopefully I'll have the chance to look forward to Bloomberg doing a huge faceplant on Super Tuesday.

 

[meowington]

It also appears that Bernie's core support is smaller than anticipated and not just because of other candidates. In 2016, Bernie was the place to go in the primaries for any anti-Hillary Democrat. He received 61% in NH in 2016, but less than half of that this time.

If that is so, the DNC doesn't even need to rig the election like in 2016. Bernie will just have his core 25% and that is it.

What do you mean with "not just because of other candidates" ? Because that's exactly what it is. Sanders had 60.14 % in 2016 because Clinton was the only opponent !

That 60% weren't all "core" Bernie supporters to begin with, back then either. If he would have ran against 4-5 candidates back then, he would have had a similar result as today's 25%.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

What I really want to see is a brokered convention. Not that I think this would be a desirable outcome but we haven’t seen one of these since the 50s. Would be a fascinating process. It very well could end up with no candidate having a clear majority of delegates heading in. I predict a three or four way split if this happens. Could end up Bernie v Pete v Amy with Bloomberg acting as a spoiler. I don’t think Bloomberg will do well enough to emerge with a majority of delegates from the primaries but I would not underestimate his ability to seduce some of the voters and go into the convention having not enough delegates to win but enough to tilt the thing in the favor of one of the other three. Tulsi has also said she’d primary through to the convention. Should she win any delegates she might also play spoiler though more than likely she’d either have dropped out by then and her delegates gone to Bernie. But it wouldn’t be enough to give him a clear majority

I think I’m going to vote for Bernie when my state has its primary. I really want Tulsi but Bernie needs all the votes he can get to defeat the moderates

 

[Maou]

sanders and yang have better memes at this point tho. right can't meme.

Lmao, the people who made the Trump memes in 2016, are the same people making the Yang gang, and Sanders memes. Thats just contrarian internet culture for you.

 

[Nicodemus]

Ok, prophecy time:

• Biden's campaign, as hoped, will die in the coming weeks.
• Bernie will suck up all but 10% of Warren's support; she will bow out after Super Tuesday.
• Klobuchar will fall of quickly now, also ending her campaign after Super Tuesday if not earlier.
• Buttigieg will get more and more popular but continue to struggle with black voters until Biden exists.
• In the end, it will be a decision between Bernie and Buttigieg, and a very uncomfortable convention.
• Trump will shit himself in public, and the GOP and Fox News will report he has invented chocolate.

I don't know about Bloomberg. Anything can happen there.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Ok, prophecy time:

• Biden's campaign, as hoped, will die in the coming weeks.
• Bernie will suck up all but 10% of Warren's support; she will bow out after Super Tuesday.
• Klobuchar will fall of quickly now, also ending her campaign after Super Tuesday if not earlier.
• Buttigieg will get more and more popular but continue to struggle with black voters until Biden exists.
• In the end, it will be a decision between Bernie and Buttigieg, and a very uncomfortable convention.
• Trump will shit himself in public, and the GOP and Fox News will report he has invented chocolate.

I don't know about Bloomberg. Anything can happen there.

Bloomberg is the wild card. See my predictions above about him at a contested convention