Mal12345
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Now that we have an ESTP president(-elect) in the US (even if you don't claim him to be your president), I thought it would be a good time to start an ESTP thread.
One common ploy I've seen with the ESTP is to play a game I call Let's Make A Deal. You give them an inch and they try to take a mile. And then there's the bargaining for advantage...
Although I have officially typed my oldest step-daughter as an ESFP, she definitely has ESTP moments (and might technically be an ESXP). You can tell because of the Ti-auxiliary that comes out at times. It doesn't arise as an interest in pursuing logic but in finding a flaw in some "contract," rule, or arrangement made with her. Finding a flaw is, of course, always supposed to be to her advantage.
It's all about The Art Of The Deal. If you can lie to your advantage, then so be it. If you can claim that you "forgot" and get away with it, then so be it. As Ti functions (or Thinking in general functions), there is no moral to anything. With Se at the fore, we're talking about purely material gain, with amoral logic acting as co-pilot attempting to tear apart your arguments in order to get ahead in the game.
The ESTP is great at making sense out of the world, and more, making sure that the sense remains. Nothing beyond that sense of how the world works is ever allowed inside. If something occurs outside of this subjective reasoning, they will immediately ask "Why?"
The ESTP is great at self-promotion, and will extend this to others if it is to their advantage. Boxing promoter Don King is an excellent example.
ESTPs will do or say anything to win, and are extremely competitive. If they don't think they can win, they won't play. When I was growing up, an ESTP friend of mine used to play the original Battleship game with me, not the electronic version. I was calling out hits and he was claiming they were misses. I know because my mother caught him red-handed. He would mark playing cards by bending the corners, which is probably why he preferred that we play cards at his house instead of mine.
And the deal-making. Always making deals. But deeper than that is an innate ability to read others. If the ESTP knows what drives you, then that can be used to advantage. Knowing something that you like, the ESTP will often try to take advantage of that in order to acquire something for themselves.
The ESTP is a gambling type. ESTPs are so addicted to gambling that, while riding a train through a rainstorm, they will compete with each other to see whose raindrop will reach the bottom of a window first.
The ESTP is of course extremely observant, but only because they know what to look for beforehand. Another ESTP friend had a knack for finding money in taverns or wherever people are likely to drop it. The art of the deal can easily become the art of conning, and this has given the ESTP type a bad rap as a thief and/or con artist. But every type has its criminal side.
If the ESTP manages to acquire substantial material wealth, then generosity becomes a new trait. The ESTP can be quite magnanimous, although it is easy to see that giving to charity can also be used to certain advantage.
They are not usually an unfriendly type. They are not directly controlling, but they are usually indirectly controlling. Instead of forcing you through threat of violence, which makes him an enemy, the all-mighty dollar makes you his friend.
One common ploy I've seen with the ESTP is to play a game I call Let's Make A Deal. You give them an inch and they try to take a mile. And then there's the bargaining for advantage...
Although I have officially typed my oldest step-daughter as an ESFP, she definitely has ESTP moments (and might technically be an ESXP). You can tell because of the Ti-auxiliary that comes out at times. It doesn't arise as an interest in pursuing logic but in finding a flaw in some "contract," rule, or arrangement made with her. Finding a flaw is, of course, always supposed to be to her advantage.
It's all about The Art Of The Deal. If you can lie to your advantage, then so be it. If you can claim that you "forgot" and get away with it, then so be it. As Ti functions (or Thinking in general functions), there is no moral to anything. With Se at the fore, we're talking about purely material gain, with amoral logic acting as co-pilot attempting to tear apart your arguments in order to get ahead in the game.
The ESTP is great at making sense out of the world, and more, making sure that the sense remains. Nothing beyond that sense of how the world works is ever allowed inside. If something occurs outside of this subjective reasoning, they will immediately ask "Why?"
The ESTP is great at self-promotion, and will extend this to others if it is to their advantage. Boxing promoter Don King is an excellent example.
ESTPs will do or say anything to win, and are extremely competitive. If they don't think they can win, they won't play. When I was growing up, an ESTP friend of mine used to play the original Battleship game with me, not the electronic version. I was calling out hits and he was claiming they were misses. I know because my mother caught him red-handed. He would mark playing cards by bending the corners, which is probably why he preferred that we play cards at his house instead of mine.
And the deal-making. Always making deals. But deeper than that is an innate ability to read others. If the ESTP knows what drives you, then that can be used to advantage. Knowing something that you like, the ESTP will often try to take advantage of that in order to acquire something for themselves.
The ESTP is a gambling type. ESTPs are so addicted to gambling that, while riding a train through a rainstorm, they will compete with each other to see whose raindrop will reach the bottom of a window first.
The ESTP is of course extremely observant, but only because they know what to look for beforehand. Another ESTP friend had a knack for finding money in taverns or wherever people are likely to drop it. The art of the deal can easily become the art of conning, and this has given the ESTP type a bad rap as a thief and/or con artist. But every type has its criminal side.
If the ESTP manages to acquire substantial material wealth, then generosity becomes a new trait. The ESTP can be quite magnanimous, although it is easy to see that giving to charity can also be used to certain advantage.
They are not usually an unfriendly type. They are not directly controlling, but they are usually indirectly controlling. Instead of forcing you through threat of violence, which makes him an enemy, the all-mighty dollar makes you his friend.