HBIC
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- Joined
- Mar 5, 2014
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- MBTI Type
- ESTP
- Enneagram
- 8w7
- Instinctual Variant
- sx/sp
Elsa makes the choice to leave in the face of social disapproval. Nobody forces her to do it. A te user would have pointed out that the disapproval of her subjects didn't really matter on account of her being queen and them not, and proceeded to rule well enough that they'd forget about it. A ti user would have argued that the ice powers would not hinder her ability to rule, and might actually help, if she used them to defend the kingdom. A fi user might have left, but would never have become ashamed of the powers before hand (self acceptance even if they're different is kind of their thing, you know?). So we see that, in her internalizing other people's negative emotional judgments, and making choices that show an inability to cope with social disapproval, Elsa displays fe. As for the idea that she's fi because she "expresses what she thinks of her powers and how she feels about having to suppress them": fe users have feelings too, and are more want to express them than fi users. A fi user would have expressed them much earlier, but Elsa waits for external emotional stimulus I.E. the reveal and the disapproval that followed. She feels her emotions in tandem with others, not by herself (contrast that with Anna, who gets her big "this is how I feel" songs in the first few minutes of the movie, with no-one else providing emotional stimulus. It's all in her head.)
At the begginning of the movie at what, age 13? No, it wasn't her choice. The mantra "Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know." was given by her parents as clearly shown while they hand her the gloves. She conformed to it, yes, and played her role really well for many years, but it took a visible toll on her.
You see that as being Fe, I see that as Enneagram related. I don't think everything about a person, wether real or fictional, can be tied to personality type. This is related to her world view to me, which belongs to the Enneagram sytem, and not MBTI.
To me what keeps me from ever being able to see Elsa as INFJ is what I've already stated before: no demonstration of using Ni. People talk a lot about her showing Fe and Se, but the only evidence for Ni I they bring up is her construction of the ice palace. But that doesn't determinate Ni at all.
I'd agree with this.
Additionally - with most things - people would tend to see characteristics in which they would understand most and embody themselves. Many Fi-users may see Elsa's critical moment as something she was solely doing for herself - whereas I (and Fe-users) may see it as Elsa trying to make the best of a difficult situation, with the primary goal of making sure that others were safe. Elsa to Anna in the ice castle (Fe): "I'm just trying to protect you." Elsa sang, "The past is in the past!" as she threw her crown (Se)... even though Ni would continue to synthesize past events.
Except you're quite wrong in your assumption about Ni users. I'm an INTJ and "I'm never going back/The past is in the past!" is one of my favorite lines in the song, which are the ones I most identify with. Ni users are all about the future, we have no use or interest in the past. We resolve things and move on, differently from Si users. They would dwelve in the past forever.
To be honest several of so-called "INFJ traits" people see in her are to me, due to her Enneagram. But people aren't so keen on discussing that, which is weird due to the Ennegram going much deeper than MBTI ever could.