The Great One
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Answer the question.
Naturally, the attitudes of functions are often confused (Se vs Si; Ne vs Ni; Te vs Ti; Fe vs Fi), because the difference is simply the internal or external standard the process is using, and each one really does a little of both (starts from its preferred orientation, flows tot he opposite, and then flows back to the starting point). So it can be hard to tell external vs internal, since both are involved.
After that, it can be hard to decipher Je/Ji/Pe/Pi, especially the introverted functions, which are deeper, and often not as "visible" on the outside. Particularly Ti vs Fi there's often a lot of problems with.
Si is easy, but because Ni can be hard to understand, then even Si vs Ni can be confused a times. Like you can get a sense of "what will happen" from referencing Si, but many ill interpret that as Ni. Ni involves memory as well (since it's internal perception), but that's usually associated with Si.
So you were from PerC all that time? I know the name is quite familiar, and I thought you were over here as well, but I see you just joined.You're on this site too? Awesome! Anyway, I know that I beat it to death, but am still trying to understand the differences between an ENFP and ENTP (Ti vs. Fi) and tell them apart.
Ne and Fe. Se and Te. Si and Fi.
Ne and Fe because of their "melding" or mirroring with other people.
Se and Te because of their matter-of-fact ways that can come across as aggressive or blunt.
Si and Fi because of their deeply personal nature that is utter subjectivity, and in both cases rather emotional. Where as Fi says "this is good, this is bad!" Si says "this is the way it's supposed to be, this is not the way it's supposed to be!" Both can be very concerned with achieving a particular aesthetic too.
So you were from PerC all that time? I know the name is quite familiar, and I thought you were over here as well, but I see you just joined.
ENFP and ENTP are very similar, because of the same dominant, and it's extraverted, and also informative (same Interaction Style). So both are bright and airy in person. But the T vs F wll come out as the ENTP being more "tough-minded" (as Keirsey puts it), with the typical competitiveness, playing to "win" and have the last word, etc. The ENFP will be more about harmony.
Oh yeah, that's why your name stood out. I remember seeing that, and wondering why. I never really realized how strict they were until I checked out the infraction thread recently.On a side note, I was banned from PerC for bullshit reasons by Promethea, but that's all just water under the bridge. I'm here now, and I enjoy it here.
I as an ISTP am in a TiNi loop and those functions easily get me confused for having the functions of an INTP or INTJ.
Oh yeah, that's why your name stood out. I remember seeing that, and wondering why. I never really realized how strict they were until I checked out the infraction thread recently.
ENFP and ENTP (Ti vs. Fi) and tell them apart.
Elfrun said:An ENFP can be very sensitive and easily discouraged by other people. As an ENTP its damn near impossible to offend, upset or discourage me.
An ENFP needs to be in contact with people and influence them in a positive way. As an ENTP I like people but mostly I just want to study them to figure out the human condition.
An ENFP wants to feel loved and supported. As an ENTP I want to feel respected and admired.
An ENFP sees things as right vs wrong and ethical vs unethical. As an ENTP I see things as correct vs incorrect and logical vs illogical.
An ENFP can be quite expressive. As an ENTP I can be less expressive.
An ENFP is more likely to adapt their emotional expressions to those they’re interacting with. As an ENTP I’m more likely to mirror emotional expressions.
An ENFP likes to resonate with what someone else is saying and is more likely to argue using persuasion. As an ENTP debating is sport and I have no problems switching sides, I’m more likely use facts.
dogwoodlover said:In a time of despair, an ENFP will comfort you and give you a big hug, while an ENTP will make a joke out of it and hand you a beer.
SShack said:Actually, I have come up with ideas for cults, too. I just don't think I could bear to be around the kind of person who would join a cult for too long.)Freedom Geek said:An ENTP will invent a machine, a ENFP will invent a cult.
Blues69 said:The best two words I would choose to describe an ENTP are cunning and clever.
The best two words I would choose to describe an ENFP are supporting and expressive.
larkin said:ENFPs seek [more] to be understood, ENTPs seek [more] to understand.
Actually, I have come up with ideas for cults, too. I just don't think I could bear to be around the kind of person who would join a cult for too long.)
This is very accurate for me. Outsmarting fools gets boring quickly. That's why NTJs are the ones that will dominate the world.
I've never stopped and analyzed you, but from what I see, ENTP looks like it would fit.
I should also mention Se and Te as possibly being confused for each other, because both are often described in terms of “taking actionâ€. (Especially in descriptions of “shadow†uses of them).
The thing to remember is that one involves taking in of information, including “experience†(i. e. irrational), and the other is making a rational decision about something.
Both:
Social, warm, talkative, open, lax, enthusiastic, generally up for anything, interested in adventure, love exploration and discovery, enjoy pushing boundaries, seek novelty.
Differences:
ENTP is more interested in observing and figuring out people; ENFP is more interested in interacting and connecting with people.
ENTP generally considers emotion separate from identity; ENFP generally laces emotion into identity.
ENTP often pursues novelty through invention and technology; ENFP often pursues novelty through exploration of cultures and spiritualities.
ENTP is more rebellious; ENFP more of a protester.
ENTPs are charismatic and arrogant; ENFPs are charming and stubborn.
Believe it or not, I think Ni and Ti can look similar sometimes. Also, Ne and Se when physical activity is involved.
How can Ne and Se look similar when physical activity is involved?
Ne and Fe. Se and Te. Si and Fi.
Ne and Fe because of their "melding" or mirroring with other people.
Se and Te because of their matter-of-fact ways that can come across as aggressive or blunt.
Si and Fi because of their deeply personal nature that is utter subjectivity, and in both cases rather emotional. Where as Fi says "this is good, this is bad!" Si says "this is the way it's supposed to be, this is not the way it's supposed to be!" Both can be very concerned with achieving a particular aesthetic too.