Oh. Maybe I only see the threads about Fe and Fi then.
What you (S)ee is what you get, I guess x)
Oh. Maybe I only see the threads about Fe and Fi then.
alcea rocea: Why do you want to resist it if you feel pulled to it?
Heh, same here. Fe is like a magnet to me (isn't it to everyone?) - and yes, I want and try to resist the magnetism because I want to be independent and not bound to other people. (Another reason is that some (unbalanced?) Fe dominants are too intense and smothering/suffocating to me. I start to feel claustrophobic.)
Leysing: In order to understand you may need our attention or else we act like you would be some sort of dog that don't obey and just generally be on you all the time. You wouldn't like that right?
As soon as we turn our back (metaphorically speaking), we would treat you like worthless again. In other words, Fe users need to be observant alot more around Fi.
alcea_rosea: Does it feel like they are wiring you and use you like a puppet (at least capable to)? Does it feel bad when Fe express opinions or is it because you are so totally aware of their moods that it creates earthquakes in you?
I've been reading some INTP comments and reflecting alot. Is it ever really possible for an Fe user to give something selflessly? I mean realy? Even a logically driven INTP would have wanted something back if he used his Fe. The only time a person would apear to do/give something selflessly is because interests parallels, wich still would leave a person egoistic. A person might enjoy seeing a kid happy when he gives something to the kid, and this might appear selfless. I think we should just accept that humans are biological creatures that have their own agenda. The goal would be to seek out people that get something out seeing us happy, although we know he/she would be egoistic - it still parallels with our own desires.
Don't missunderstand me. I'm not loosing faith. I just didn't want to be in denial (yes I would, truth is horrible)....
I know what you think .... damn that lorkan is slow, haven't until now figured out that Fi is pure while Fe ain't.
The part that interested me is that Fi is directed introvertedly -- according to MBTI theory, like every other introverted function, it starts with itself, moves outward, then back to itself again as the end result.
Fe does the opposite.
INTPs can be as selfless as anyone else, but it can still be argued everything's done for a selfish reason. It doesn't matter though. That kind of philosophy's a dead-end: No useful net conclusion.Totally agree, I don't believe in altruism for a second. I'm REALLY hoping that doesn't make me sound like a pessimist though.
Interesting, can you explain more?
And I get the mechanism better thinking in terms of Fe -- you see something happen, you immediately check into your internal values system to see how you feel about it, then you get back out there and get involved in the situation you're seeing.
Fi -- the core principle is the object, you extend it to the real world to try to implement it, then retreat back to the safety of inner world where principles remain guarded.
Yes?
No?
The way I understand the two is...
Fi - intrapersonal. Awareness of one's emotions
Fe - empathic. Awareness of others'
The way I understand the two is...
Fi - intrapersonal. Awareness of one's emotions
Fe - empathic. Awareness of others'
For this reason people using Fe will appear very conventional (ESFJ /ENFJ) in how they are responding to other people. On the other hand there is a tendency for people who use Fi dominantly to defeat general expectations about their presumed role. That is why they are sometimes passive aggressive if they think you want them to behave in a certain way that does not feel right to them.