Magic Poriferan
^He pronks, too!
- Joined
- Nov 4, 2007
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- MBTI Type
- Yin
- Enneagram
- One
- Instinctual Variant
- sx/sp
Thanks!!!
Whoah! Now those look too close to mine for comfort!
You said "slightly modified from anything on a site", "customized". I don't get that. Do you mean they were not copied from anywhere, but were customized by being made from scratch instead? Or that they were copied, and then "customized" by being slightly modified (i.e. colored in)?
I got from mine from another Wikipedian, who created four of them for the "Four Temperaments" article. They matched pictures of carved masks representing the temperaments. The shy looking one (in the upper left) was Phlegmatic. The person released them to the public under the Wiki GNU license. So I copied them, and I have seen other sites copy some of them, and if you copied them, it is OK.
Yes, I found the same page, with the same image. I changed them by moving/making faces and coloring them in.
So I took them for both my Five Temperament article, as well as my sites, and redesignated the shy looking one as the fifth temperament, and created the one with the straight mouth and eyes as the true Phlegmatic. I also created the "inbetween" ones with either the eyes OR mouth straight (but not both), which represent what we call the "Phlegmatic Blends". These lie between the five main temperaments.
This was all done about 3 years ago.
That is incredibly similar to what I did.
![LOL Beat Desk :rofl1: :rofl1:](/data/vbsmilies/rofl1.gif)
So what order of Enneagram types does your image follow? What is what on there? (I know it can't simply be in numerical order, because the happy-but-shy one in the upper left can't be #1. That table is just like mine, but flipped diagonally.
Well, the faces correspond to my own analysis, which, as you can see, was somewhat different from the factor models you were analyzing, though I had read about them before developing my own theory.
In my image, we could say that they eyes refer to situation management, and the mouth refers to emotional response. So, corresponding to my variables and values...
Angry eyes = Active/Aggressive
Straight eyes = Passive/Evasive
Sad eyes = Reactive/Supportive
Happy mouth = Projective
Straight mouth = Detached
Sad mouth = Temperamental
Now then, if we use that guide to corelate the faces with the Enneagram types, the order is as follows:
Upper left = Two
Upper middle = One
Upper right = Six
Middle Right = Four
Lower Right = Eight
Lower Middle = Three
Lower Left = Seven
Middle left = Nine
Complete Middle = Five
As I pointed out, the numbering convention that was originally used in the Enneagram seems to have no rationale behind it. I was rather disappointed to find that out, but we move on.
It is of some interest, though, that as I had said, I showed the picture to people and had them assign the type based on appearance. It did not entirely match my official assigment.
The Two, Six, Four, Eight, and Seven were typically given to the faces that I had given them to. However, the lower middle was usually made the One, the complete middle was usually made the Nine, the middle left was made the Three, and the upper middle was made the Five.
I unfortunately had only a small sample of people who actually knew the Enneagram, but the consistency of their pick was rather striking. It was too small however for me to do a follow up test, to see if the color of the faces affected peoples' choices. I was not in a position to find enough people that hadn't already taken the first test.