i see where "myopic" could come from - Ni people can get kinda... stuck running down a certain line of thought... but on the other hand, Ni people are much better at narrowing down to what possibilities are most likely.
i like working with others with strong Ni... we complement one another well. i am in my element figuring out things on the fly, and the Ni person is generally in their element figuring out the Big Plan. we work best with both as planners (my Te being useful), Ni user as executive and Ne user as troubleshooter. the Ni user aids my general flightiness and indecision, and i aid the Ni user in easing paranoia and when things do not go according to plan.
that said, i think the conflict on my end occurs when the person with Ni is set on a certain course but will/can not explain why they believe it to be the best course. it feels like the Ni user believes you should just go along with their plans without them giving you any information. but given extraverted Perceiving, i would prefer as much external information as possible. so it's very counteriNtuitive (ha ha) for a Ne dom to trust a Ni user acting in such a way. over years, i've learned to simply near-blindly trust my best friend (ENFJ) in certain situations. it's still rather uncomfortable, and i cannot and would not afford that same trust to many others.
uumlau said:
Te/Fi vs Fe/Ti seem to generate the most misunderstanding and agitation, since they determine what kind of conclusions one believes to be reasonable.
yes
ReflecttcelfeR said:
I relate Ne to space and Ni to time
myself as well.
fidelia said:
Hmm, this is interesting. It never occurred to me that other people didn't swap different systems in and out. So you look for the perfect definition and then build your matrix of ideas from there?
err. haha swap systems. nope. i don't swap whole systems but i switch parts of systems. i actually have a rather pleasant fondness for systems - i guess it's a Te/Si thing or whatever - number sets like the 16 and 9 of the MBTI and enneagram please me. but i have this underlying belief (knowledge?) that all the systems are ultimately the same, because i have the underlying belief that the universe is fundamentally all connected, if not ultimately all one. so there's no real reason to interchange whole systems, because they're all valid, and the fun lies more in interposing them - lining them up and associating them. because essentially they all connect.
so i suppose when you say "perfect definition," i see that as a solid, clean system - like a balanced description of the MBTI. a less than perfect system - imbalanced, unequal, etc - would be annoying, because it's much harder to line up things when they are not equal. fidelia, you remember the function guides threads drama? part of the reason i was so annoyed was that the guides didn't match up evenly. information really needs to be balanced in my world - this perhaps is not true for all Ne-Fi-Te-Si users, but it seems useless to me to have a system where information is not balanced. connections, after all, are built upon parallel similarities and dissimilarities. so why even bother establishing connections amongst inequal things, when there are other systems you could build between parallel things that are much more useful? otherwise we're just throwing random ideas into piles and giving them a label. if functions are not parallel, then why even bother grouping them together?
so that's sort of how my processing works. establish "perfect" systems; line them up. learn more information and fit it to a system; lock system into place with all other systems. when i say it like that, it sounds very restricted, but it's not at all, as long as you remember that you're allowed to switch anything out for anything because εν το παν - all is one.
Orobas said:
I can make huge Ne leaps by connecting this backbone to other topics that I have also built backbones for.
and here's where the insane jumps come from - it's exactly what oro said about leaping. once i have those systems established in my head, i can system-hop like crazy. so it's a huge network of shortcuts, essentially. unfortunately i assume that what i give up in exchange is good attention to sensory detail, but oh well. and then you use those systems to navigate in response to daily life, to solving problems... troubleshooting IRL is so much fun because all the normal rules are suddenly much more easily bypassed. it opens the doors to allow so many more possibilities. troubled situations are where i finally get to shine because i'm not bound by the practical or the likely. i think a key to Ne is that it has essentially zero sense of probability - hence Ne is excellent for circumventing rules and conventions, even though it can get extraordinarily off-topic.
ME TOO
highlander said:
I know the two processes (Ne and Si) are somewhat inseparable but it seems weird for an inferior function to be a backbone though.
eh, well. when your dom (Ne) is essentially 100% fluid and your aux (Fi) is fuzzy and your tert (Te), though stable, is only applicable externally, a Si backbone, inferior or not, makes at least a little sense.
Kalach said:
I wonder why people keep thinking conflicts are essentially solvable. Goddamn every person everywhere believes they have some kind of answer, BUT THEIR ANSWER IS ALWAYS BASED ON THEIR OWN FOUNDATION! How can it not be? Can a person come to a conclusion based on someone else's cognitive processes?
Once again, a claim I read somewhere: groups of people of similar type will operate more happily and finish group projects faster than type dissimilar groups, but type-dissimilar groups (potentially, and perhaps in fact often) produce higher quality results.
example of a Ne solution - what's a conflict? an opposite; a diffierence; a disparity. but all conflicts are essentially solvable because, all being connected, we can (theoretically) always find a similarity to bridge the gap. (honestly, i think this is why Ne doms are so freaking crazy. i guess i can only speak for myself, but i really believe that everything is connected.)
as for the second paragraph - i find it easy to believe that. i've grown up around dissimilar types - mom's an ESFJ, dad and brother INTP. my friends tend to be EFJs. i refer to my ENFJ best friend on this site all the time because she is unquestionably the person who has pushed me to grow the most and with whom i have experienced both the most conflict and most satisfaction. as easy as it is to get along with those of our types, intertype relations seem inherently more rewarding in terms of growth.