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I doubt that, true narcissists hide incredible insecurity and can usually only survive well for short periods of time in the charade.
Anyone who has ever been associated with a true narcissist would disagree strongly with the OP.
They pair up with a non-narcissist because they wouldn't be able to blatantly abuse another narcissist in the same satisfying manner.
Marm is correct. As for why people aren't narcissists pair up with narcissists, there are a lot of complicated reasons that can happen. It often takes people too long to realize how serious the problems are with the person they've partnered with. Furthermore, some people are easily coerced by that kind of personality, mis-attribute positive implications to their negative personality traits, or tend to become dependent on strong personalities. I also think some people have a fantasy that they can become the one person who is loved by a narcissist (similar thing happens with sociopaths).
A narcissist gains from a relationship with a non-narcissist, while the non-narcissist loses. In a relationship with two narcissists, both people are losers. The winner is the person not interacting with a narcissist.
I'm sorry, but I think you're confusing self-esteem with an unrealistic or grandiose views of one's self. Some of the questions are quite pointedly, glaringly differentiating between self-esteem and absurd gradiosity, one most notably is "I'm a born leader." Realistically, the qualities of a good leader must be learned over time and contemplated carefully both intellectually and ethically speaking. Someone who thinks themselves "a born leader" is just bossy...that doesn't equal good or effective leader.
I doubt most entepreneurs are pathological narcissists, but certainly some are, I would agree...because they believe the only way they can validate themselves (for their sad, inner state) is by building a world of material things around them to externally validate, which is false validation, which is a symptom of narcissism.
I doubt that, true narcissists hide incredible insecurity and can usually only survive well for short periods of time in the charade.
I doubt that, true narcissists hide incredible insecurity and can usually only survive well for short periods of time in the charade.
Very funny, but see that doesn't effect me at all since sociopath is my preferred DSM to mimic.
I also noticed that the OP said that people who aren't at least a little narcisisstic or who are altruistic don't get much in life.
Andrew Carnegie was altruistic, and he is one the legendary wealthy Americans - you know, like Rockefeller.
I noticed that you are also missing the part in the description of NPD where is says healthy people with high self-esteem are often humble.
Arrogance can be a form of stupidity re: overestimating your own abilities can get you into trouble, or cause you to act impulsively without thinking.
well all those traits of narcissistic personality disorder basically comes from being inability to use empathy.
The first part is true, but I highly doubt the second part; Actually, I would spell it this way: Narcissism is usually good for your personal career, but also usually bad for literally everyone around you because you do everything you can at their expense.
Also, "mild to moderate narcissism" isn't really a good term; The point about narcissism is OVERconfidence in your abilities, contempt of others, love of self to an unhealthy degree etc. Narcissists live in a world of fantasy in which they're awesome and everyone other just sucks. On the other side, simple confidence in your abilities and love yourself but also others etc. is called "healthy self-esteem". And these people have exactly the same good traits without the bad traits narcissists have.
narcissus fell in love with himself, but he could never get love back. loving yourself is a good thing, but falling in love with yourself is not. thus self-esteem and narcissism can be distinguished.
are you saying that legitimately falling in love with yourself is possible? Interesting, I wouldn't have thought so.
Andrew Carnegie was not altruistic. altruism is putting others first and yourself second. doing lots of things to help others does not make one altruistic. Andrew Carnegie focused on getting himself money and success first before contributing millions of dollars to help others. he also did so without detriment to himself. objectivists can be just as generous as altruist, they just do so after they've taken care of their own needs
Andrew Carnegie was not altruistic. altruism is putting others first and yourself second. doing lots of things to help others does not make one altruistic. Andrew Carnegie focused on getting himself money and success first before contributing millions of dollars to help others. he also did so without detriment to himself. objectivists can be just as generous as altruist, they just do so after they've taken care of their own needs
He limited his own income right off the bat to never take over 50 grand per year for himself, and said, "The amassing of wealth is one of the worse species of idolatry."
Not only that, but libertarinism is as foolish as communism, because both blatantly ignore human nature. Not every capitalist has the ethics of Andrew Carnegie, or even close to it. That's why libertarianism won't work, but it's a nice fairy tale to believe that every one is intelligent enough and moral enough to make it work.
Objectivists are idiotic and should never be mentioned in a rational discussion. Even the most staunch libertarians understand that Ayn Rand was kind of a whack job.
umm... how many libertarians do you know? I know several and they all love Ayn Rand (and for good reason). now, I am not an extreme objectivist, but I am objectivistic about most things
you've made a good point about andrew carnegie though
Such irritating self indulgent posts. I must remember that a narcissist's vision is based on movement. :Standsperfectlystilleatingpudding:
Oh, you must be in college. Or high school. I thought I was a communist in high school. I think young people can get carried away with extremist ideologies before they properly learn and think things through.
Well, eventually, hopefully, you'll come to understand that objectivism isn't...well, it's not real.