Elfboy
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- Nov 26, 2008
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- ENFP
- Enneagram
- 5w4
- Instinctual Variant
- sx/sp
neither do I. I've tried to cry in movies, but I just can't.I have a few F guy friends who aren't afraid to show it. It's admirable; I think they've rubbed off on me somehat. I just don't do the crying LOL
I agree with pretty much all of this, but I think that Fi deals with a few aspects of this as well. Intuition also plays an important role in informed empathy as understanding why one is feeling a certain way is just as important as knowing what one is feeling. my theatre teacher brought up a good example of this last semester:I'm just as critical as I am empathetic. They go hand in hand as far I'm concerned. Where there may be strong empathy in one place, there could be disappointment somewhere else. And this isn't exactly out of the ordinary for men.. I think many men unashamedly do it all of the time. For example, if I was out and about and invited to a party.. and noticed that everyone was trying to ditch some guy or girl, impolitely leaving them hanging or something, I might be disgusted in all of them, punk them out right to their faces, and not go myself... convinced that it was a bad idea and a waste of my time to hang out with people like that. I mean, what's really in the forefront is my own particular point of view and what's being violated. Not empathy. Empathy is a byproduct of that. And it's selective. I don't empathize as a thing in and of itself. If anything, that's probably more common with Fe. To contrast it with the Fi definition given above:
The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The “social graces,†such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them. Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along.
"simply feeling what the character in the play is feeling is not enough. if you feel upset because you see Hitler crying about a little boy who escaped from the concentration camps, this is not an example of informed empathy"