niki
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I just suddenly thought about this last night:
after knowing MBTI Personality Typing quite deeply, do you think the concept of "losers" still exist,..strongly?
or, perhaps,
there is actually no such thing as "definite loser" in this society,
it's just that these people have certain valid reasons for:
- not wanting to go through hassles to 'climbing the corporate ladder' which mainstream society (& people) often are trying to pressure constantly upon them
- they have different perspective, POV about this Life, and how it should be lived
- these so-called "losers" are actually pretty smart people, but they're just only lack ambitions & willpower, or motivation to burn their energy down that ONE single path to success ; that they rather just want to absorb as many things in life, instead of just focusing in ONE path, and get beaten through it a lot of times,...which is usually troublesome, and brings a lot of stress, that these so-called "losers" don't want to bother with?
- they just don't care, and have a lot of valid reasons to back up as to why they just seemingly don't want to do anything in their life ?
the more I thought about it, and especially in terms of MBTI perspective,
the more it somehow started to scare me that perhaps the strong "P" would be the most prone to this so-called "loser" syndrome!
I'm sure that those of us who got to know MBTI for a long time here already know that this PHYSICAL world needs the "J" type a lot more (usually), in order to accomplish "success" , especially in the working world, as compared to the 'wanderless' "P" type.
I can even cite some examples:
- my cousin is a really smart & witty person, and although I haven't tested him, I really believe & quite sure that he's probably a strong INTP.
whenever we're in a 'big family' gathering & dinner, he can comes up with really strong & smart arguments (delivered in a witty manner too!).
but even that now he's already 31 years old, all he does is just playing online-video games at his home (well, his parents are super-rich, though), and he just seems to lack any willpower, or motivation to just "stick at one path/career, and just GO HARD-BEATEN through it!"
- my father (somewhat..), and some few of my friend's dads that I've also seen,
that they're also smart people, and often vocal in any kind of argument, and also like to criticize how this mainstream society works, and the stupidity in the "system" ,
yet, what these people do is often 'unclear' , as if they can't stick in ONE kind of job, or path!
and hence, as a result, they appear to be much less 'succesful' than those "ambitious, HARD-working" Dads that, according to my Mom, can and even willing to go to work at 7 AM, and got home often late at night around 9 or 10 PM ! and according to my mother, the latter is the ONLY example of the types of people that will succeed in Life!
but perhaps to the former group, it's again, just so "troublesome", and perhaps just too "boring" , or too "stressful" for them, to focus & dedicate themselves to "succeed" !
these things seriously starts to scare me a bit,
as I can somewhat see that I could probably EASILY become these so-called "losers", especially in this hard, edging, fast-paced, very competitive era we're living now! (damn how I just hate that last word so much: "competitive", arggh!@#$).
if you were to ask me, what I want to do in this life is just:
- to keep gaining & absorbing NEW knowledges & experiecnes in this life,
- while ENJOYing this life,
- and not to get burned-out in anything, and not work too-hard.
are these even the signs of "losers" , according to the mainstream society these days??
and besides, I thought,
I've heard this popular phrase roughly that "90% of the world's resources is attained by only 1% of the people at the top of the world" anyway!
and to do that, you probably have to do a lot of what I would call: troublesome, stressful, and even sometimes 'dirty' things (& tricks!) to get to the very TOP of the world, in other words, to SUCCEED a lot in life!
I don't know why, but somehow, right now I just can't see the 'beauty' of pursuing that path...
is this a sign or symptoms of "losers" too , I wonder?...
what really defines "loser", in your opinion?
let's discuss about this.
after knowing MBTI Personality Typing quite deeply, do you think the concept of "losers" still exist,..strongly?
or, perhaps,
there is actually no such thing as "definite loser" in this society,
it's just that these people have certain valid reasons for:
- not wanting to go through hassles to 'climbing the corporate ladder' which mainstream society (& people) often are trying to pressure constantly upon them
- they have different perspective, POV about this Life, and how it should be lived
- these so-called "losers" are actually pretty smart people, but they're just only lack ambitions & willpower, or motivation to burn their energy down that ONE single path to success ; that they rather just want to absorb as many things in life, instead of just focusing in ONE path, and get beaten through it a lot of times,...which is usually troublesome, and brings a lot of stress, that these so-called "losers" don't want to bother with?
- they just don't care, and have a lot of valid reasons to back up as to why they just seemingly don't want to do anything in their life ?
the more I thought about it, and especially in terms of MBTI perspective,
the more it somehow started to scare me that perhaps the strong "P" would be the most prone to this so-called "loser" syndrome!
I'm sure that those of us who got to know MBTI for a long time here already know that this PHYSICAL world needs the "J" type a lot more (usually), in order to accomplish "success" , especially in the working world, as compared to the 'wanderless' "P" type.
I can even cite some examples:
- my cousin is a really smart & witty person, and although I haven't tested him, I really believe & quite sure that he's probably a strong INTP.
whenever we're in a 'big family' gathering & dinner, he can comes up with really strong & smart arguments (delivered in a witty manner too!).
but even that now he's already 31 years old, all he does is just playing online-video games at his home (well, his parents are super-rich, though), and he just seems to lack any willpower, or motivation to just "stick at one path/career, and just GO HARD-BEATEN through it!"
- my father (somewhat..), and some few of my friend's dads that I've also seen,
that they're also smart people, and often vocal in any kind of argument, and also like to criticize how this mainstream society works, and the stupidity in the "system" ,
yet, what these people do is often 'unclear' , as if they can't stick in ONE kind of job, or path!
and hence, as a result, they appear to be much less 'succesful' than those "ambitious, HARD-working" Dads that, according to my Mom, can and even willing to go to work at 7 AM, and got home often late at night around 9 or 10 PM ! and according to my mother, the latter is the ONLY example of the types of people that will succeed in Life!
but perhaps to the former group, it's again, just so "troublesome", and perhaps just too "boring" , or too "stressful" for them, to focus & dedicate themselves to "succeed" !
these things seriously starts to scare me a bit,
as I can somewhat see that I could probably EASILY become these so-called "losers", especially in this hard, edging, fast-paced, very competitive era we're living now! (damn how I just hate that last word so much: "competitive", arggh!@#$).
if you were to ask me, what I want to do in this life is just:
- to keep gaining & absorbing NEW knowledges & experiecnes in this life,
- while ENJOYing this life,
- and not to get burned-out in anything, and not work too-hard.
are these even the signs of "losers" , according to the mainstream society these days??
and besides, I thought,
I've heard this popular phrase roughly that "90% of the world's resources is attained by only 1% of the people at the top of the world" anyway!
and to do that, you probably have to do a lot of what I would call: troublesome, stressful, and even sometimes 'dirty' things (& tricks!) to get to the very TOP of the world, in other words, to SUCCEED a lot in life!
I don't know why, but somehow, right now I just can't see the 'beauty' of pursuing that path...
is this a sign or symptoms of "losers" too , I wonder?...
what really defines "loser", in your opinion?
let's discuss about this.