INFJ.
Already been discussed, yo.
joanna newsom said:--He generated his initial drafts based on a big pile of notes that I gave him; this sort of manifesto about how I wanted the record to sound and the mood I wanted it to have. While it's not important to me that the audience explicitly understand what the record is "about," I did think it was important that the collaborator understand that explicitly. We needed to have a cohesive vision. ...So I started by giving him that manifesto, then a more detailed series of notes as well, going line by line through the songs.
--Basically I wanted to undertake the task of writing songs about a particular year of my life... I was starting to see a lot of connections, and I wanted to make them more substantial to myself, or at least explore them. Writing these songs was a way to organize my brain and organize these events and how they had affected me. There were four very big things that happened in my life in this particular year, and so four of the songs are about these things. The fifth song, "Only Skin", was an effort to talk about the connections between the events.......
---I just find it funny that at this point, we see a collection of highly charged, highly potent symbols as referring back to a classical aesthetic, because to me they seem deeply connected to the pedestrian actuality of real life......
I really like to imbue every little thing with connections; the continuity makes me feel better about the finished work, so that's why I did that.
“I don’t want to compound the fragility myth about me ... but I think other, people, in my, life, certainly, commented, that I seemed to have, a ... sometimes fragile relationship with reality.†She stops. “But I wouldn’t say that it’s felt like a problem for me but, you know, I forget to pay bills and I get my water shut off and I live in a rural area. And you know when your cable gets shut off they actually have to make an appointment to send out a technician to reinstall it and it’s really expensive and insanely annoying. And so that’s happened to me like four times now. The list of things like that is very, very long. And there’s nothing romantic or fantastical about being hapless, or borderline dysfunctional in terms of a lot of the things that make someone a good grown-up in the world.â€
She also says she must confess that people who work with her find her stubborn to the point of being difficult. She can’t rest creatively until a song is exactly the way she imagined it. She can’t bend.
I know it doesn't matter anymore, since INFJ seems to be the consensus, but I was reading through an interview and found these quotes:
And here's another interview that certainly discounts the Se argument:
This seems INFJ to me, she is certainly NF at any rate.
i put all my money on infj. her orchestration, it feels like bright eyes, but more challenging. van dyke parks--entp. she reminds me of an infj 4w5 sp/sx girl i know.
I doubt she's just writing 'what sounds good'.
She strikes me as very INFJ (including her attention to sensory detail) She's very eloquent and as genial as she is aloof from the interviews I've seen/read (which is something I equate with INFJ women).
Just because she isn't campaigning for the Nobel Peace Prize, it doesn't mean she isn't an INFJ. I really can't see her as an ISFP at all.
For a comparison: Joni Mitchell is ISFP - Not Newsom.
Adorable.
I agree.
First off, I have lots of songs written down and recorded and of course I'm an ISFP.
Also, she's not as much a poet as a singer/songwriter (sorry but there is a difference).
Also, she doesn't write purely metaphorically; a lot of what she writes is actually about the outdoors and stories.
She is metaphoric, a bit, but so is any intelligent person when they write, to be quite frank (it's not an INFJ trait ONLY).
The things that make me think ISFP are: song after song about nature and details about happenings but ALMOST NOTHING CONCEPTUAL.
And, she is not very mysterious.
Onstage, she talks about things like how she cut her thumb and used superglue to close it, and then demonstrates to the crowd the difference in the sound between the healthy thumb and patched up thumb.
She giggles onstage and is not super sophisticated (sorry but all INFJs are sophisticated HAHA just kidding but hey it's something I've noticed; they have an air of decorum even without trying).
She is like a grown up child.
I don't know why I'm so intent on proving her ISFP-ness, except that it's annoying how every time someone is talented, people scream NF. That's just not always the case.
Harumph!
P.S. Did I mention (of course I did) that she looks like an ISFP?
It certainly has. infj she is.
don't you think she's too DREAMY though? INFJ 4w5s i've known are all very focused in the eyes. joanna is much more dreamy than anything else. and there's a sweetness and innocence to her that i only really see in INFPs. i think everything about her life and process is very INFP to me... she's never been about fitting in in an INFJ way... she doesn't seem neurotic as much as ethereal + into executing her artistic vision. i would be very surprised if she wasn't an INFP. she's very spacey as wwell... her bills and stuff get turned off because she forgets to pay them etc. that isn't very INFJ behavior.
i can't imagine infjs or 4w5s ever being considered the pinnacles of focus. 5 in general is pretty much the opposite of focus (--> comprehensive everythingness). i do now agree that she's not a 4w5 infj. seems to me to be more of an infj 9w1. more dreamy, more sensible pacing, more e1 composition. like sufjan (also infj 9w1), that sense of wanting a kind of disciplined perfection. for 5, meh, not so much. the energy seems to me to have more to do with the perfect idea than the perfect execution.
also, i don't think infps have a greater emphasis on nature imagery. they might be more visually inclined in general and more connected to whatever environments they are in (generally a much, much deeper sense of place). sp has an impulse for distance and slowness and desire to get some fucking space regardless of type, however, which can tend towards natural environments, broader scapes, open spaces. pastoral frolicking and jungle treks come from different energies.
i am surprised at your impression of infjs as perfectly organized. for me, Ni is as ethereal and airy as it gets, and we're still far from T. sometimes people mistake the risk aversion of sp as T, but it's simply not. it's not the same kind of organizational principle or directness in controlling significant conditions (even if its willingness to take the longview leads to a sometimes more realistic adultlike recognition of them). in my current job, by far my biggest challenge is skillfully and efficiently dealing with and managing the administrative environment. really in every aspect of my life.
i can't imagine infjs or 4w5s ever being considered the pinnacles of focus. 5 in general is pretty much the opposite of focus (--> comprehensive everythingness). i do now agree that she's not a 4w5 infj. seems to me to be more of an infj 9w1. more dreamy, more sensible pacing, more e1 composition. like sufjan (also infj 9w1), that sense of wanting a kind of disciplined perfection. for 5, meh, not so much. the energy seems to me to have more to do with the perfect idea than the perfect execution.
also, i don't think infps have a greater emphasis on nature imagery. they might be more visually inclined in general and more connected to whatever environments they are in (generally a much, much deeper sense of place). sp has an impulse for distance and slowness and desire to get some fucking space regardless of type, however, which can tend towards natural environments, broader scapes, open spaces. pastoral frolicking and jungle treks come from different energies.
i am surprised at your impression of infjs as perfectly organized. for me, Ni is as ethereal and airy as it gets, and we're still far from T. sometimes people mistake the risk aversion of sp as T, but it's simply not. it's not the same kind of organizational principle or directness in controlling significant conditions (even if its willingness to take the longview leads to a sometimes more realistic adultlike recognition of them). in my current job, by far my biggest challenge is skillfully and efficiently dealing with and managing the administrative environment. really in every aspect of my life.
i can't imagine infjs or 4w5s ever being considered the pinnacles of focus. 5 in general is pretty much the opposite of focus (--> comprehensive everythingness). i do now agree that she's not a 4w5 infj. seems to me to be more of an infj 9w1. more dreamy, more sensible pacing, more e1 composition. like sufjan (also infj 9w1), that sense of wanting a kind of disciplined perfection. for 5, meh, not so much. the energy seems to me to have more to do with the perfect idea than the perfect execution.
also, i don't think infps have a greater emphasis on nature imagery. they might be more visually inclined in general and more connected to whatever environments they are in (generally a much, much deeper sense of place). sp has an impulse for distance and slowness and desire to get some fucking space regardless of type, however, which can tend towards natural environments, broader scapes, open spaces. pastoral frolicking and jungle treks come from different energies.
i am surprised at your impression of infjs as perfectly organized. for me, Ni is as ethereal and airy as it gets, and we're still far from T. sometimes people mistake the risk aversion of sp as T, but it's simply not. it's not the same kind of organizational principle or directness in controlling significant conditions (even if its willingness to take the longview leads to a sometimes more realistic adultlike recognition of them). in my current job, by far my biggest challenge is skillfully and efficiently dealing with and managing the administrative environment. really in every aspect of my life.