Amargith
Hotel California
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- Nov 5, 2008
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- ENFP
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- sx/so
Se wears a leather jacket, miss.
May be true, but it lives in denim, m'dear.
Se wears a leather jacket, miss.
My mom is a very angry EFJ who rants about a number of things that offend her to the very core, to the extent that I sometimes think she's an ETJ. But she's not.
Then it was F that was triggered, by the violation of a value you consider i because it is not concerned with... e-stuff? How is fairness not e-stuff, by the way? It merely seems to be a slightly different kind of e-stuff than compliance with arbitrary social protocols.Sure they do, that's not what I was saying. I think it's possible the actual triggers/catalysts might be different though? That's why I used the shrug emoticon man... I just don't know. Fe is the function I probably understand the least, in terms of actual experience.
She sounds like a human being.My mom is a very angry EFJ who rants about a number of things that offend her to the very core, to the extent that I sometimes think she's an ETJ. But she's not.
I am trying to get rid of the idea of Fi and Fe somehow being different things that one can have or lack.Of course, you're probably just trying to turn this into a giant Fi-Fe clusterfuck.
Always nice to hear you on matters of typologism.THANK YOU.
fwiw, when I read [MENTION=9585]mia[/MENTION]'s post, re. 'Fe users get angry as well, though, in regards to noncompliance with Fe values', I had a visceral reaction (lol). Because, I have no idea what 'noncompliance with Fe values' actually means. Many people on this forum view me as an Fe user, but tbh I don't even identify with much of what people write of Fe, or know what phrases like that mean. (no offense Mia ).
I view my values as being aspects of myself, whether I derived them of myself or happened to incorporate bits and pieces from my life experiences into my own views. And yes, my chest tightens, I may feel ill and have to lie down if I'm anxious or really upset about something (it affects me physically), my heart beats faster, other physical reactions/sensations based on the emotion I am feeling.
/sorry for the derail, I know I'm not supposed to be here.
Like Mia, the Fi user, it appears.We're passionate about a few things.
May be true, but it lives in denim, m'dear.
I am trying to get rid of the idea of Fi and Fe somehow being different things that one can have or lack.
Then it was F that was triggered, by the violation of a value you consider i because it is not concerned with... e-stuff? How is fairness not e-stuff, by the way? It merely seems to be a slightly different kind of e-stuff than compliance with arbitrary social protocols.
Like Mia, the Fi user, it appears.
She sounds like a human being.
What is that difference?Frankly, based on the evidence thus far, I'd say it's pretty clear there is a difference between the two.
Yes, madam, I am.You're divorcing the values from how/why/source of origination darlin'.
Could you outline these reasons a bit?My mother, for example, and I could both have a value reaction - let's use fairness as you said - but be doing it for totally different reasons, places, and line of reasoning.
Fi wears a purple peacoat.
Could you outline these reasons a bit?
What is that difference?
THANK YOU.
fwiw, when I read [MENTION=9585]mia[/MENTION]'s post, re. 'Fe users get angry as well, though, in regards to noncompliance with Fe values', I had a visceral reaction (lol). Because, I have no idea what 'noncompliance with Fe values' actually means. Many people on this forum view me as an Fe user, but tbh I don't even identify with much of what people write of Fe, or know what phrases like that mean. (no offense Mia ).
I view my values as being aspects of myself, whether I derived them of myself or happened to incorporate bits and pieces from my life experiences into my own views. And yes, my chest tightens, I may feel ill and have to lie down if I'm anxious or really upset about something (it affects me physically), my heart beats faster, other physical reactions/sensations based on the emotion I am feeling.
/sorry for the derail, I know I'm not supposed to be here.
We're passionate about a few things.
Fe is wearing something in pink... with stockings, and garters, and lace underwear.
Like Mia, the Fi user, it appears.
Well, so far there have been only two hypothetical/theoretical Fe users to re
And, while cascadeco doesn't strike me as very Fe-heavy (frankly, I think her cognition runs a lot more along the lines of NiTi), neither of these responses really ring with any significant amount of what I would call, in a very technical manner, "Fi flava". Particularly not the latter. What kind of FP would respond to such charges/questions with "we're passionate about a few things", such lack of verve, such a wet towel of a response.
And I don't find it surprising; as I've said on here before, I feel the introverted forms of a function are much deeper, stronger, more robust, than their extroverted counterparts, and, as such, I think FPs tend to be much more deeply passionate than do FJs.
Touché. Please do, honey.Yes, I could.
Is that the difference you meant, that the introverted forms of a function are 'much deeper, stronger, more robust'? They are processes, though. How can they be deep, strong or robust? If they are on a scale, is a deep, strong, robust Fe automatically Fi? Is it impossible that an FJ is more deeply passionate than an FP?I feel the introverted forms of a function are much deeper, stronger, more robust, than their extroverted counterparts, and, as such, I think FPs tend to be far more deeply passionate than do FJs.
I don't understand this question. I also am questioning my understanding of Fi. Lots of "WTF" to some of these comments.
I am in the same boat. Let's skip this joint and hitup the Dairy Queen for a choco cherry blizzard.