yay! ok I kind of want to get serious again. I suck at being serious though I can't focus long enough I'm like oooh a puppy! oh no the puppy needs a collar but he might catch on something and choke to death.
It's like a tree! then you think about how the tree came to be evolution of the tree, did someone fall out of the tree? is the tree sensitive? then after that you can go more into what kind of tree it is how tall etc. Does this make sense?
Hi, this is in response to the original question: Yes, I can relate . . . and this is how I see it . . . my Ne is so fierce that I actually see the potential far more than I can see reality. and even if i can explain reality to you logically . . . and the actual reality sucks & i know it sucks . . . the potential is far more powerful for me & affects me to the point where i don't even care about the reality & i'll keep doing X or dating X or pursuing the X hobby or the X career. I do everything i can to diminish my Ne but that pesky little bugger won't go away!
And I hate my Ne so much. It ruins my life . . . or does it???
so basically what you are saying is that first you think about the tree as a whole, decide you like it and then proceed to focus on its individual properties.
that is the basic idea, but, i think, Ne has more to do with how you came up with the tree in the first place.
the below maybe more relevant to NeTi (ENTP) than anything else...i dont know...feedback is appreciated
your walking by a park and you see a a man sweeping small twigs and leaves into pile. you walk a little farther and then you see a hole being dug by a teen wearing a safety vest. a few more steps and there is a generous 50 yr old lady feeding some birds.
while you are enjoying the stroll, in the back of your head, what you Ne MIGHT be doing is something like this:
1. man, twigs n leaves
1.1a man -> city worker? tax payer money? MY money?
1.1b man -> ordinary person? volunteer?
1.2 sweeping -> why not blow this shit...
1.3 twigs n leaves -> bonfire? compost? garbage? is it fall already?
2. teen, vest, spade, digging, hole
2.1 teen -> 16? 19? drinking age?
2.2 vest -> volunteer? community service?
2.3 spade -> king (of spades)?
2.4 digging -> electric poles? tree? teen playing prank? the book HOLES?
3. 50yr old lady, bird food, birds
3.1 50yr old lady -> grandma? bored? nice? kind?
3.2 bird food -> meh. like i give a shit
3.3 birds -> migrating? permanent?
3.3.1 migrating-> to china? coming from the south?
3.3.2 permanent-> baby birds? feed? nest? tall buildings? trees?
and then Ne connects the dots..
IDEA #1- "teen is digging a hole to plant a TREE where the birds can build nests using the twigs n leaves"
and then you can ask those quesns: evolution of the tree, did someone fall out of the tree? is the tree sensitive? then after that you can go more into what kind of tree it is how tall etc. ....for me it'll be the Ti playing judge
the whole process of Ne and Ti (for ENTPs), not really sure about others, is analogous to computer programming....many a times i've been amazed that the code i write is actually very similar to how my thinking process works
And I hate my Ne so much. It ruins my life . . . or does it???
I actually came up with a theory a few weeks ago, that the power of Ne lies in its ability to be bored hence need and look for stimulus.
In terms of what it is, I'd just say a thing that helps you clearly visualise the system, without having to do the pondering. For some reason you know where the stuff goes and why.
Do you find that that you notice the possibilities before what's actually there when observing something? then once you've gone through the possibilities you go ok this is what is. It's like a tree! then you think about how the tree came to be evolution of the tree, did someone fall out of the tree? is the tree sensitive? then after that you can go more into what kind of tree it is how tall etc. Does this make sense?
Ne is a law unto itself. You can't use it deliberately, it just happens by itself or not at all. In my case, it happens pretty much constantly.
This also highlights the importance of Lenore's idea about developing the secondary. Ne by itself is very indiscriminate. There's a point at which "looking for anything at all" really risks being too randomly useful or too randomly pointless to be helpful. A dominant Ne type needs to be able to distinguish between the relative importance of things, or be able to identify the needs and people they really care about, to make the most of it.
Ne is a law unto itself. You can't use it deliberately, it just happens by itself or not at all. In my case, it happens pretty much constantly.
This also highlights the importance of Lenore's idea about developing the secondary. Ne by itself is very indiscriminate. There's a point at which "looking for anything at all" really risks being too randomly useful or too randomly pointless to be helpful. A dominant Ne type needs to be able to distinguish between the relative importance of things, or be able to identify the needs and people they really care about, to make the most of it.