Honestly, I don't understand how people ever came to the conclusion of Clementine being an ENFP.
One of the problems I had with typing Clementine as an ENFP was her lack of loyalty and the way she seemed to end her relationship with Joel, however, she ended her relationship it seems by reading between the lines and due to paranoia, perceiving problems and insults that perhaps were not even there and thus leaving Joel in a state of confusion over the ending of their relationship. This seemed very ENFPish to me however, almost everything else about her manner and her constant state of living in the present tense seemed very ESFPish to me
It is a mistake to think that SFPs are not just as sensitive as NFPs. The difference between the NFP and SFP is that the SFP will DO something in the meat world to help ease their pain a lot faster than the NFP will.
Joel had this quiet, pent up frustration about him that's very indicative of an ISFJ. When his car got damaged in parking, he left a note that said "thanks". And he was nitpicky about clementine's flaws - which she pointed it out to him. Even though he cared for clamentine more than any other woman, he was reluctant to have kids because he didn't think she was "mother" material. He was constantly simmering with emotions that he had trouble expressing until it would finally explode in viciousness (like that time he basically accused clemntine of being a whore). All of this is indicative of unhealthy ISFJ behavior.
Can I just ask Edgar, when was the last time you watched this movie... Just out of interest...??? I find it really amazing that you have focused on this movie in such detail.(Like you even remember what the note said) Have you watched it more than once? It's interesting because when me and my friend who is also INTJ (Possibly ENTJ) both watch a movie we come out remembering totally different things about it.
I saw it once. In the theater, when it came out.
Clem is not an N.
She's much too scattered for that, there's no big-picture coherency to her behavior.
She is about the most "in the moment" person I have ever seen, whether in cinema or in real life.
Clem is not an N.
She's much too scattered for that, there's no big-picture coherency to her behavior.
She is about the most "in the moment" person I have ever seen, whether in cinema or in real life.
I'd have to agree with Clementine being an ENFP. I'd even go so far and say she's the ultimate ENFP archetype. I'd say that in her case, being scattered is more related to being a free-thinking artist than S. ALL (like, ALL) ENFPs I know are scattered and in the moment, even more than ESFPs I know. To the argument concerning the clothing style, no, this is NOT the ESFP "stylish and playful" Se way, this is the ENFP "imaginative" Ne way. I'm absolutely sure everything Clementine does mirrors her rich inner world, which she just has to "let out" into the outside world. She doesn't really care about the world as it is, but what it could be like. I even have an ENFP friend who identifies herself with Clementine to a T, including not only her lifestyle, but even such details as the constant changing of hair colour - they don't to that to be Se stylish, they just want to show who they really are, but can't really decide on that - totally NFP.
As to Joel, I honestly have no idea apart from him being an I. I do think there are a few clues pointing to him having a strong N, but to tell the truth I don't think there is enough information in the movie to figure his type out.
I thought Clementine was too eccentric to be an ESFP. I mean, my sister is ESFP, and while she is bubbly and all that, she is very precise about what she looks like (her clothes, her make-up, etc.,), and she really has a distaste for people who, in her words, "try to be different." And Clementine, to me, seemed to be way less precise about her appearance (she was actually downright sloppy, kind of hobo-esque), and was more concerned with just expressing herself, which made her seem more eccentric. Eccentric is the last thing I'd call my ESFP sister or any of the other ESFPs I've known.
I agree....ENFPs seem more scatterbrained to me than ESFPs (who give off an airhead impression, even if they are not). I think its Ne randomness plus actually being less connected to the moment. I think she is following Ne whims and not Se impulses also. She runs with her idea in the moment, not with a physical sensation. IDK, she just reminds me of every ENFP I've known. I see some ESFP similarities, and my ESFP sister relates to her character though, but there's some major differences.
I can see Joel as ISFJ now actually. He's so withdrawn and depressed he is hard to type though.