Well I'm a type 8 and I related a lot to what she said (though I look at myself in an entirely different light in it vs what someone else would see.. but I've had people tell me things similar to the context she wrote) soo.. how's about we shake 'em and tuck 'em.
The instant I read a very basic type 8 description it resonated with me intensely. I've read several others floating around the internet, while some are more garbage than others, all of them resonate with the consistent similar themes and attitudes about the core of the type 8. Every description was like "Uh.. no.." until I got to type 8 (I was ready to think the system was totally useless by type 7.) Unlike types 2 and 3, which can mask easily into different types and have a bit of confusion in them, there really is little mistaking the type 8 description.. They're pretty blatant and jarring, imo one of the more black-and-white concepts of the whole system.
There is one description I resonate with in the sense that I feel that YES, that totally describes me, and that's Maitri's description of type 8. That one really literally fucking hurt. I feel the other descriptions end up harping too much on behavior instead of an internal disposition and many such as Palmer's, are just outright atrocious imo, or Naranjo's too, in how they feed into this narrative people have of the type. Like, I can go back now and read say, R&H's description in Discovering Your Personality and see how everything they write is actually true and applicable to me because a lot of the negative qualities of the type are things I have had an intimate comment on as negative quality traits I possess. As such I was made readily aware of them so I now know I possess them, but without an outside commenting, I would probably not have be able to make that connection.
Some people identify their types reading the descriptions right away, some people don't. For me it took longer where I had to a) read a source whose material was presented in a way I found favorable (aka Maitri's) and b) arrive at the sufficient awareness where I could identify the structure in myself as such. I typed as a 5 mostly because I thought Naranjo's description felt ok (though tbh, prior to reading Maitri's, I felt no description really hit home so it was a matter of trying to evaluate on a more objective basis of what seemed like me though it should have been a dead giveaway clue when I realized I don't relate to other 5s in the 5 subforum on PerC) and I justified that I was integrating for probably a year until I realized this isn't working and something is very off.
This is why I don't feel behavioral descriptions are very meaningful in the first place because there are so many things that can play a role in how a person behaves, but the underlying motivation may not always be readily apparent or be in line with the behavior that underlies it.
Oh, you don't have to apologize for the direction this thread headed. It has no bearing on my father's type, or the kind of relationship I have had with him throughout my life. What I see is an egotistical individual who is full of himself because he thinks he has "discovered" his type. Which motivates him to jump on threads discrediting anyone else's thoughts or life experience because his so-called superior knowlege of theory in addition to his vast experiential knowledge trumps what anyone else may have to share.
Also, when I read things like "My 2w1 - Intj freind". It puts things into even better perspective.
lol, passive-aggressive, aren't you? If you got an issue with how I approach the subject, take it with me directly instead of a) throwing a hissy fit in public where you make a lot of character accusations and I decided to let it slip even though I definitely found it extremely rude and b) now making indirect remarks about my behavior and presence in this thread where I can publicly read it but you do not dare to address me in person. I was trying to be curt and not be offensive, but you take it personally anyway. I wanted to discuss the type and I felt some of the stuff you wrote was off, factually speaking, which is no way meant to discredit your experiences of your father. The purpose was, however, to provide some other information that would be contrary to what you offered not because I inherently disagreed with everything you wrote (I actually commented on things I both agreed and disagreed with), but because I wanted to offer another perspective. Apparently I need to walk on eggshells because any sense of disagreement is apparently bad and wrong to you, and I should just gobble up which is what I see others doing here. Well, I have little interest in the kind of rapport Fe types establish among themselves.
Also do note, I rarely made instances to myself. I made generic comments about the type as a whole and some of them apply to me, and some of them don't.
Factual information. I mind about trying to create a more grounded and factual understanding of the type (type 8 is also not the only type I care about, either; another pet peeve I have is how type 6 is described in online typology circles) so I simply chose to comment on that some of the stuff you wrote may not be explicit or unique or common for type 8. I don't expect you to like me, but I do expect you to showcase a little basic respect where you a) do not write posts of such passive-aggressive nature that you did here, and b) take any issue you have with me as a person in person. I am sorry if you felt I attacked you in some way but I did not and it was not my intention to make it seem or come across as such; now I also expect you to behave like a mature individual and apologize for acting so rudely towards me. I have not made a single instance attacking you or your character, but you seem to think it's fit for you to do that in public. If you do not want to discuss the type with me I will step out of this thread but I do expect you to behave appropriately towards me in the future.