Skylights do you think this could be generalized as a Je verses Ji thing? Exteneded to include Te as well as Fe?
yeah definitely. in particular because when i'm assessing a system (T) i just want to fix in the moment things, really - temporal external things - i don't so much do the Ti system-level analysis thing. like weighting the qualities of the system as a whole. i just want to tweak it, so it works. i assume Fe works the same especially if led by Ni or Si. tweaking to get back on track for the Ni vision / Si ideal.
I totally resonate with the notion of a more longterm, harsher judgement, rather than a momentary, short term judgement...
Fe used this way seems more like a nudge, a course correction, rather than a judgement on the innate core of the individual. However, given my own style of long, term, harsher judgement-I hear the Fe nudge as being more...intensive and hurtful? than it is intended to actually be?? Me projecting my communication style I suspect. interesting thoughts to think over...
me too... Fe judgment seems to hurt more, for whatever reason. Fi judgment is like, oh, okay, well, i should think about that. Fe judgment can feel... constraining? like it denies the internal person.
though as i say all this i recognize that most of the time i agree with the judgments of the Fe doms around me (for those who don't know... i collect ExFJs
)... but when it comes to judgments
between us, that gets hard. plus sometimes the Fe judgment seems unnecessarily small - funny because silk said the same thing about her probably ENFP friend's judgments. i guess we just see certain things as being less / more important than each other.
Lily flower said:
It's usually judgments about other parents - they aren't teaching their children to behave, they are letting their chidren be immoral, or things like - I suspect that person is cheating someone.
with the parents and children thing, i always feel like it's disturbing to see parents who aren't helping their kids learn to be good people because that can really mess them up for life. i remember watching some dad whose son was picking up some things he dropped in a hallway and the dad grabbed him and told him to stop, and called for a maintenance person instead... i was horrified... what does that teach the child? don't clean up after yourself, you're not responsible for your own things, maintenance people exist just to clean up your mess, it's okay to put your burdens on other people, etc...
the cheating thing may be Ne/Fi recognition of someone seeming shady, which can happen. i think INFPs are better at it, but it's the Fi authenticity thing... like their behavior doesn't match up with the rest of their person...
actually now that i think about it [MENTION=10423]Lily flower[/MENTION] your friend sounds like an ENFP leaning a bit Fi heavy - being a bit meddling (the 2nd function theoretically being the one which we use to connect to others) - nitpicking values, etc... engage her Ne and/or Te and she'll likely back off some... so basically dive into ideas (sharing Ni thoughts will work well) or just be very, very objective...
Zarathustra said:
E(N)FPs think everything is about them.
everything
is about us, Z, because we are all connected... but it's okay, everything is about you, too.
you should know this by now