Disagreed. It was basically a silly form of payback. And wanting revenge (politically incorrect term) or justice (politically correct term) doesn't make anyone a sadist, as every intelligent human being values reciprocity.
And I don't think sadism is related to shame.
There is more to life than fear and authority - not everything has to revolve around these things for 6s. Problem is cp 6s deal with frustration/anger very poorly, so their coping mechanisms are fairly irrational.
Also, E8 might be the the least likely type to be content with a quiet anonymous protest in a restroom - they're pretty loud when revolted.
I have to first understand what "disgustingly dirty" entails. Is it a few drops of pee on the toilet seat or is there shit everywhere or what?
[MENTION=13260]Rasofy[/MENTION] makes some really good points.
Sounds like a new (and better) example would be in order? Maybe something more related to dominance and/or power, since that's something Eights really need, and Ones don't care a whole lot about.
Haha at this point i am wishing I didn't make this thread. It came up in sort of a joke conversation with a friend who is an E1. I am seriously on the verge of erasing the original post because I don't think I presented it right and now it's being totally misunderstood, so it's sort of a waste of a thread. Not blaming you guys.
Anyway, what the scenario was, is this:
You go into the bathroom and it's absolutely disgusting. Like really bad, not being managed; the place just didn't do their job. What my E1 friend was getting at, is, would you tell the management, and would you try to clean it up for them?
My response was basically- I will say this now, I'm *very* clean. My house is clean. When I visit a friend, their house is left cleaner. I don't go around making messes. If I see trash on the street, I even pick it up and throw it out if it's not too gross (ie if it's paper rather than food). I'm not a disrespectful, war-mongering freak who goes around trying to fuck shit up. That couldn't be further from the truth.
However, in a situation where I either have to dirty myself with other people's feces and urine, because management did not do their job, I would be most likely to simply squat, do what I must do, and leave, even if I were to leave a bigger mess than when I came. The only reason for this is because in order to clean it up, I would have to get very, very dirty myself. And I can't really "hold it" and do it somewhere else because I have a chronic illness and such things give me a stomach ache.
So, what I was saying is, that I have a general mentality where it's not my duty to do someone else's dirty work. I might help out if I'm in the mood, but it's not gonna eat away at me if I don't. That being said, if you're my friend I'll do almost anything for you! If you're my family, ditto. If I'm in a restaurant where I go all the time, and their bathroom is dirty one day, I'll go and tell the management because I look out for my people. But if I just feel like a place is dirty and irresponsible, I'm not going to let it ruin my day in any way. I'll do what I have to do and leave, rather than worry about cleaning it or going out of my way to tell management. This might even be a slight exaggeration. If I had extra time, I'd tell management. If there was a better bathroom nearby, I'd use that one instead. There are a lot of "ifs." And in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM would I piss on the toilet to "get revenge." The mindset is, you didn't do your job so you made it impossible for me to do mine, that's not my problem, and I'm not going to worry about it all day.
I think I over-stated this in the OP, and it got interpreted in that over-stated way, and blown out of proportion, straying from my original point. The original point that I meant to demonstrate was, while an E1 (like my friend) would get really angry at the state of the world, tell management, and be upset about the state of the world afterwards, I would just accept this as part of the way the world is and use it for what I need because if you give me bullshit, it's not my job to fix it. I would NOT piss on the toilet for revenge, do this to make a point, try to prove something, or any of the other interpretations that were mentioned in this thread!! I am simply saying that I'd take what I need from it and leave, and not think about it any more. That is all. I'm sorry if I did not present this case very well.
However, there is a noteworthy difference between E1 and E8: One is an obsessive perfectionist, the other is a sadist. Sadists will take what they need from the situation and leave and not feel guilty. Obsessives will try to correct it. That is all I was trying to demonstrate. I am sorry it was so offensive to some of you, but it made sense in my head at the time.